Factory loaded .308 match ammo for long range

[wbm]

I would recommend LC 15 M118 LR specifically over Fed 175 GMM.

+1.

[mikebritton]

M118 is surplus Gov'ment target ammo.
You will be able to find it at some of the larger gunshows. I have a lot of it left over from when I was shooting NRA Hi-Power.
I haven't found a .308 barrel yet that didn't like it.
But I have to tell you, it will struggle at anything past 800 yds. You will need more bullet weight for that.

[yobuck]

M118 is surplus Gov'ment target ammo.
You will be able to find it at some of the larger gunshows. I have a lot of it left over from when I was shooting NRA Hi-Power.
I haven't found a .308 barrel yet that didn't like it.
But I have to tell you, it will struggle at anything past 800 yds. You will need more bullet weight for that.
You can also change the prop pitch on a 50 horse outboard.
But it’s still a 50 horse outboard.
Nothing takes the place of horsepower or powder.

[GaCop]

Welp. Go shoot it at 1000 on paper and see.
It works down south in thick air at sea level. Going from sonic to trans is tough. Tough if the winds blowing. I’m not supposed to be able to shoot 77gn bullets from a 1-9 .223
But it works.
How often really will you shoot at 1k yds?
The .308 isn’t really the right tool.
Neither is my 22lr at 350 but it’s fun.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy 9 twist Savage 26" fluted barrel LOVES the 77 grain TMK over 24 grains of CFE223. I seat them .010" OTL, 2843 fps and at 200 yards 5 group into .618" on a 90 degree day with 95% humidity.

[charlie b]

M118 is surplus Gov'ment target ammo.
You will be able to find it at some of the larger gunshows. I have a lot of it left over from when I was shooting NRA Hi-Power.
I haven't found a .308 barrel yet that didn't like it.
But I have to tell you, it will struggle at anything past 800 yds. You will need more bullet weight for that.

I have fun shooting 155gn bullets at 1000yd. Hornady ELD match has shot several sub-MOA groups for me at that range, as well as the Bergers. Yes, I do have a 26" barrel :) Wind is the key. No wind and it is easy. Gusty and it is impossible, even with heavier bullets.

But, these were not factory loads. Velocity was a bit less.

[Dave Hoback]

M118 is surplus Gov'ment target ammo.
You will be able to find it at some of the larger gunshows. I have a lot of it left over from when I was shooting NRA Hi-Power.
I haven't found a .308 barrel yet that didn't like it.
But I have to tell you, it will struggle at anything past 800 yds. You will need more bullet weight for that.

Can find it online with a bit of looking. https://www.308ammo.com/M118SB-p/m118sb.htm

[yoda4x4]

Can find it online with a bit of looking. https://www.308ammo.com/M118SB-p/m118sb.htmJust curious... Can you use this for hunting?

David

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[jkv45]

Can find it online with a bit of looking. https://www.308ammo.com/M118SB-p/m118sb.htm


Interesting that you found that.

If you click on "7.62 x 51/.308" ammo on their site - nothing comes up on the page. Nothing comes up with a search on ammoseek.com either (I've checked).

What is the difference between M118 SB (what they have listed) and M118 LR?

[charlie b]

https://www.snipercentral.com/history-m118-ammunition/

Everything you needed to know :)

[jkv45]

https://www.snipercentral.com/history-m118-ammunition/

Everything you needed to know :)


Thanks Charlie.

I didn't realize there were so many versions and changes over the years.

[charlie b]

I had heard something about it years ago when I was still paying attention. Just had to find it.

[Robinhood]

I would recommend LC 15 M118 LR specifically over Fed 175 GMM. There is a significant difference. Check the runout on FGMM and you will see a huge difference compared to the M118. Difference of 1.25 moa compared to .75 for the M118, at least the few thousand I have run through my rifles over the recent years. Powder consistency is much better on the M118 too.

I have found the powder to be within .02grains and I never had issues with RO. I currently reload using the recipe fro the FGMM/M118 in weight sorted cases if I want that. 41.75 grains of 4064 is usually on the mark.

Somewhere near 43.5 of 4064 is a sweet spot in many rifles. Very close recipes with Varget and R15 too.

[pdshooter2]

and the statement is not true...a poor bullet does not get better with a tuner

[pdshooter2]

but the m118lr was a great load that was slowly down loaded to work in the m14( designed for bolt guns).
the 316 load is a good general load but not great like the lr load was.
reloader 15 smk 175
try a berger 175 instead or even a lapua 185


M118 Special Ball Long Range Mk316 Mod 0 is the FGGM 175smk.

LC Match case(designed by Federal), IMR 4064 41.7xx grains, FGMM 210M primer.

There were many iterations of the M118 with many powders and even a 173 closed tip bullet made by LC.

[jkv45]

Looks like I will get a chance to see how my .308 Model 10 does at extended range. The local club that has a 1200 yd range is hosting a long range class, and 1200 will be available.

I picked up some FGMM 175gr and Lapua Scenar-L 175gr to test and zero before the class.

I did see some M118LR for sale...$65 a box! Can't go there...

Is it unrealistic to expect to group 2-3 MOA at 1200 with my set-up if conditions are favorable and I do my part?

[charlie b]

From what I can tell they will be close to subsonic at 1200yd so not sure what to expect.

Should be well under 2MOA at 1000.

[wbm]

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[yobuck]

Go with the idea of simply enjoying the day.
You will come back with more knowledge that you had before you went, and thats a plus.
You will find that higher BC in and of itself has no real advantage over less BC with higher velocity.
And thats true of all cartridges at the longer distances.
Velocity rules till the distance becomes too great, at which point more velocity is needed, not more BC.

[hamiltonkiler]

3moa at 1200 is 36” as I’m sure you know. I sure hope so.

Some where between 800-1000yds it goes transonic so it’s a crap shoot.


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[jkv45]

Go with the idea of simply enjoying the day.
You will come back with more knowledge that you had before you went, and thats a plus.
You will find that higher BC in and of itself has no real advantage over less BC with higher velocity.
And thats true of all cartridges at the longer distances.
Velocity rules till the distance becomes too great, at which point more velocity is needed, not more BC.
I will.

This is a basic long range class, so it's all about learning.

I want to be as prepared as possible to maximize accuracy with my set-up, but I do realize it has limitations - plus I'm learning - so mistakes will be made.

I plan to relax, learn, and have fun. No expectations of amazing results.