Imr 4064 vs h4895

[69gen1]

Thinking on trying a new powder useing varget now for 168 amax,175 smk and the 178hpbt hornady..out of these 2 which would be the best to try on these bullits.. I'm running 43.5 varget right now with 168 with excellent results just wanting a stand by powder to help when the varget runs low...thanks again..

[Danatkins8605]

I've always used 4064 from day one. 4895 might meter a little better

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[SageRat Shooter]

4064-- That's the closet to Varget in burn rate. I think H4895 is a little too fast for those heavier pills you're using. H4350 would be a good one to try though.

[69gen1]

Thank you all I was kinda leaning toward 4064 I heard that's what fed gold metal factory is..I also run the 223 with 69 and 78 gr think the 4064 will work there as well bet its a stuffed full case with the 4064

[Danatkins8605]

41.5 is the same as fgmm

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[69gen1]

41.5 is the same as fgmm

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Was that 41.5 for 175 gr..that's what I think if I remember right I'm useing hornady cases

[Danatkins8605]

With the 175 yeah. Fgmm is basically the same as m118lr and that's a clone load for it

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[69gen1]

With the 175 yeah. Fgmm is basically the same as m118lr and that's a clone load for it

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Thank you..I got a supply of the hornady 178hpbt I will see what I can do with those first..I was wanting another powder to back up the varget which I like but will see might like the 4064 loads better do you know how the 4064 powder does far as fps compared to varget be coming out of the famous 12fv 26" tube.

[celltech]

Thank you..I got a supply of the hornady 178hpbt I will see what I can do with those first..I was wanting another powder to back up the varget which I like but will see might like the 4064 loads better do you know how the 4064 powder does far as fps compared to varget be coming out of the famous 12fv 26" tube.

At least according to Quickload 4064 will give you a tad less FPS at the same max pressure. H4895 will give you ~30 more FPS for the same initial pressure. I personally love H4895 in both .223 and .308 loads.

[Robinhood]

whatever you do don't try R-15

My 175 FGMM is 41.75

[69gen1]

At least according to Quickload 4064 will give you a tad less FPS at the same max pressure. H4895 will give you ~30 more FPS for the same initial pressure. I personally love H4895 in both .223 and .308 loads.

Well now that's deffinently somthing to consider because I run alot of the 223 rds also. i am useing h335 for the 55 gr rds mainly vmax and the 55 gameking which is a shooter in 20" varmit but use varget for the 69 gr. And up rds. The 69gr and varget is actually a little better accuracy wise than 75 78 pills. what are u running with the 223 rds? I like a powder that might run multi rds that's why I also considered h4895 as one of my powders

[69gen1]

whatever you do don't try R-15

My 175 FGMM is 41.75

I have not tried the R15 but did consider it in the past never did get to it though .my brother tryed it in both 308 and 223 never did have much luck it did not want to stay consistent for him day to day in his rifles.but I have read lots of people seem to like it other than temp stability so I just stayed with varget but dang it's hard to fine when u run out .so need to buy it in bulk I guess

[celltech]

Running 75gr Hornady ELD-M with 23.1gr H4895 in Starline brass at a 2.46" OAL (10 thou off the lands) gives me 1/2" groups and 2860 fps. Running 23.8 Varget gets me the same groups and SD/ES, but only 2750 fps. I also use H4895 in .22-250 and .243. If I had only 2 powders to choose from they would be H4895 and H4350.

[69gen1]

Running 75gr Hornady ELD-M with 23.1gr H4895 in Starline brass at a 2.46" OAL (10 thou off the lands) gives me 1/2" groups and 2860 fps. Running 23.8 Varget gets me the same groups and SD/ES, but only 2750 fps. I also use H4895 in .22-250 and .243. If I had only 2 powders to choose from they would be H4895 and H4350.

Thanks celltech that's good info on h4895 my brother use to use the h4350 in the 6.5 creed when he had it.But I will try the h4895 and probably 4064 to boot ..I also see load data with the h4895 in the 35 rem which I run in a contender I'm useing 3031 in it right now makes outstanding close range thumper with 200gr sierra for deer

[Shooter0302]

69gen1, IF you are not aware of, IMR 6064 is a large stick powder that will require "cutting" a kernel , you will have to force your powder throwing handle down. Also , if you are wanting a precise amount of powder you are going to have to trickle it.

[69gen1]

69gen1, IF you are not aware of, IMR 6064 is a large stick powder that will require "cutting" a kernel , you will have to force your powder throwing handle down. Also , if you are wanting a precise amount of powder you are going to have to trickle it.

I weigh all my rds and trickle up with varget.slow but it makes some good rds I can throw varget a little light then trickle up..I throw the h335 for 55 gr but for all my accuracy rds I trickle up.just makes me feel better..pistol rds I just throw.i heard that 4064 is like logs and meters like crap but I dont mine if making accuracy rds but that means a case full for sure which sometimes is not bad

[Danatkins8605]

You'll laugh but get the little lee powder thrower it does awesome with 4064. Also it's cheap

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[69gen1]

You'll laugh but get the little lee powder thrower it does awesome with 4064. Also it's cheap

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Heck no I want laugh.got 1 mounted on the bench.that thing does a excellent job with varget that's what I use.throws 3031 real well also.but leaks like crazy with h335..on the verge of buying the deluxe version and get the extra metering disk with it that you preset with powder charge for the powder u are useing and see how it does with ball powder and good ole unique that I actually like might be weird but that stuff will run a lot of different rds.testing it right now in 9mm. case full but its accurite and consistent for me..

[charlie b]

IIRC, IMR4166 is the 'new improved' version of 4064. Supposed to be less temp sensitive. I've used it in my .223 with heavier bullets and it does almost as well as Varget. I have been meaning to try it in my .308 as well (cast bullets).

I have the Lee deluxe and it works fairly well. For pistol I use the auto disk (I do not weigh individual pistol charges). I had the auto drum but went back to measuring charges for rifles. The deluxe and drum will 'leak' a little with fine ball powders. They can also 'bind' a little if a cut grain gets wedged in them (plastic drums). But, they work well for what they are.

The deluxe is accurate enough that I throw a charge and weigh it. If it is off I pour the powder back and throw another charge. With Varget I get a good charge weight the first or second try. I ran some tests with it and found that 75% of the time it hit the weight target. With 4166, 4198 and 4895 it was down to about 50% of the time. Most of the time when it is off, it is only 0.1 or 0.2gn. For 'short' range (100-200yd) the .1gn makes no measurable difference on target. Out at medium and longer ranges it starts to make a difference so charges are as exact as I can measure them.

[69gen1]

IIRC, IMR4166 is the 'new improved' version of 4064. Supposed to be less temp sensitive. I've used it in my .223 with heavier bullets and it does almost as well as Varget. I have been meaning to try it in my .308 as well (cast bullets).

I have the Lee deluxe and it works fairly well. For pistol I use the auto disk (I do not weigh individual pistol charges). I had the auto drum but went back to measuring charges for rifles. The deluxe and drum will 'leak' a little with fine ball powders. They can also 'bind' a little if a cut grain gets wedged in them (plastic drums). But, they work well for what they are.

The deluxe is accurate enough that I throw a charge and weigh it. If it is off I pour the powder back and throw another charge. With Varget I get a good charge weight the first or second try. I ran some tests with it and found that 75% of the time it hit the weight target. With 4166, 4198 and 4895 it was down to about 50% of the time. Most of the time when it is off, it is only 0.1 or 0.2gn. For 'short' range (100-200yd) the .1gn makes no measurable difference on target. Out at medium and longer ranges it starts to make a difference so charges are as exact as I can measure them.

Charlie b thanks for your input on the new imr powder and the lee deluxe. also how do you like the auto disk for pistol flake powder if you have tried any or tightgroup because that's the 2 type of pistol powders I normally run in 9mm for my magnum rds I throw and trickle up like I do with rifle