Savage Action Straight Wall Cartridge

[albaugh6]

Has anyone seen this done or done it? In Ohio we are now allowed to use rifles to hunt whitetail deer with, except it must be a straight wall cartridge. I'm interested to know if you can build one from a savage action. Also what caliber would you suggest to build if possible.

[kwood94xj]

It should be able to be done. Id go with something like a 45-70 or a .45 colt

[sixonetonoffun]

It works. Might search 450bm for some details. Also one of the guys did a 444marlin striker.

I think a control feed action (early wsm models) would eliminate headspace/trim length issues.

I have the 500/375 on a push feed. Only issue is changing bullets changes headspace or trim length. YMMV

[FW Conch]

^ Why! Doesn't the 375 Headspace on the Belt? ^

[shoalwater]

I'm guessing it's a 375 Ruger base cartridge and they don't have a belt.

[handirifle]

I have heard that the Savage action will not feed rimmed cartridges worth a hoot. Check Ohio's rules carefully to make sure it does not say it has to be an established cartridge, not a wildcat, in other words.

The 450 Marlin can be fed in a short action magazine, and uses the same head as the 300WM. It will be a shoulder thumper unless you reload. The 450 Marlin spaces off the belt so it will be easy to headspace, but a non-rimmed cartridge that is straight walled can be tricky to set up.

[sixonetonoffun]

I'm guessing it's a 375 Ruger base cartridge and they don't have a belt.
^^Nailed it!^^

[FW Conch]

^ 10/4 ^ :-)

[foxx]

I don't think Ohio allows the 450BM

[J.Baker]

Straight walled cartridges permitted for deer hunting in Ohio (per reg's): .357 Mag, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55 Winchester, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 S&W, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 S&W, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 S&W.


Pretty much have to use something with a belt on it in a 110 if you want a repeater. Nothing with a rim is going to feed reliably, and you need something to headspace off of. I toyed with the idea of trying to build something suitable on a Savage for a while, but the .450 Marlin was really the only viable option on the list of approved cartridges for a 110. The other option was finding an old Model 340 in .30-30 and rebarreling it to .375 Winchester, but that really didn't appeal to me as the 340 was never offered in LH. In the end I just bought myself a lever gun in .375 Winchester.

[albaugh6]

Can you explain "belt on it" I am not familiar with this

[sixonetonoffun]

http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii554/sixonetonoffun/Mobile%20Uploads/20140721_110627_zpse0ec7b9e.jpg (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/sixonetonoffun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140721_110627_zpse0ec7b9e.jpg.html)
500/375 not belted
7mm rem mag belted
223 not belted
Not a good pic but...

[stomp442]

Sounds to me like you have a great excuse to buy a new gun. I see a nice new lever gun could be in your future and probably end up being cheaper than trying to build something from scratch.

[Warrick]

I built a 450 bushmaster, off a 110 30/06. Was fairly easy , but I had to put a 308 magazine in the mag well to get it to feed to my liking. I have a few videos of the build on you tube, My videos are under Warrick county outdoors. If you have any questions let me know.

i would suggest to use a 308 family short action to start your build. It just makes things a lot easier.

[Hotolds442]

I built a 450 bushmaster, off a 110 30/06. Was fairly easy , but I had to put a 308 magazine in the mag well to get it to feed to my liking. I have a few videos of the build on you tube, My videos are under Warrick county outdoors. If you have any questions let me know.

i would suggest to use a 308 family short action to start your build. It just makes things a lot easier.

Thats nice, but once again, he's building a rifle for hunting in Ohio and the BM is not on the list of approved cartridges.

[Warrick]

Sorry brother! I was at working a quick break making a quick reply trying to give a little help. I will read a little more next time.

[handirifle]

Straight walled cartridges permitted for deer hunting in Ohio (per reg's): .357 Mag, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55 Winchester, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 S&W, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 S&W, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 S&W.


Pretty much have to use something with a belt on it in a 110 if you want a repeater. Nothing with a rim is going to feed reliably, and you need something to headspace off of. I toyed with the idea of trying to build something suitable on a Savage for a while, but the .450 Marlin was really the only viable option on the list of approved cartridges for a 110. The other option was finding an old Model 340 in .30-30 and rebarreling it to .375 Winchester, but that really didn't appeal to me as the 340 was never offered in LH. In the end I just bought myself a lever gun in .375 Winchester.

I am not familiar with the 340 at all so bear with me on this. The 375 factory loads are loaded to 308 Win pressure levels, so not sure if the 340 can take those pressures. If not the 38-55 is always a safe option. Same case basically, but lower pressures. The 375 in a bolt gun would be fun. I have the old top eject model 94 Big Bore in 375. Fun cartridge.

[handirifle]

As was suggested, I would look for a nice levergun. Maybe an older Marlin in 38-55. You can even, easily, get a 30-30 rebored to 375 or 38-55. One of those pushing a 250gr slug at 1800 will do the job nicely. With a Marlin you have the choice of open sights or scope.

[Ol' BW]

Would they allow modifying a cartridge? I know some places allow you to shorten a cartridge to make it legal. If so you could build a 357 Maximum Rimless using 223 brass.

BW

[handirifle]

I seriously doubt that. They will look at cartridge head stamp if they do not recognize it. Most game wardens are pretty gun/cartridge savvy.