Custom stock

[Cwy81]

So I had an idea of making custom stocks for the savage axis for people using the existing stock like I did with my own. But I need to know if anyone would like it and if I'd be aloud to do that on this forum. Also I will put pics on soon but I just bought a new phone and lost the pics. Have to take new ones

[jpdown]

It might be more appropriate to PM Mr. Furious.

But common sense tells me it would be unfair to other vendors on this site who must pay to solicite business. And you would need to a least be a paid member to use the classified's to test the "waters", so to speak.

[bobfortier]

There is a market for sure, I did Axis stock in laminate as a hobby, could not keep up with demand.

[Cwy81]

Ok. Thanks for the advice ill have to become a paid member then

[Apache]

Be sure to read this rule:

http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?132-Manufacturers-amp-Vendors-Rules

I know you're new here, so be sure to check the rules or ask a mod for info on something.

[J.Baker]

You've entered a no-fly zone. Please step away from the epoxy and find some fresh air and allow your head to clear. Sorry.

[Cwy81]

No problem. Just wanted to know thanks

[fla9-40]

Love to see your work, post some pic's when ya can!

[J.Baker]

I can see I'm going to have give my "Viagra Debunked: The Truth About Stiffening Your Synthetic Stock" speech again.

Frank put together a very well written and very detailed article on one method of attempting to stiffen the Axis stock, but like most methods I've seen (for both the Axis and 110-Series Tupperware stocks) they just don't address or rectify the real root of the problem. Why? Because by the stock's inherent design the real problem can't be fixed without physically destroying the stock to stiffen the area that truly needs to be stiffened. Major surgery and remolding would be needed in key areas to truly rectify the situation and make it right - something most aren't willing or capable of doing.

On the 110 Tupperware stocks the problematic fore-end flex is the result of a weakness at the recoil lug pocket. Epoxying steel or aluminum rods into the fore-end isn't going to do anything but add weight and accentuate the problem unless said rods extend back through the recoil lug pocket and into the front action screw area to brace the weak point in the design.

With the Axis stock, the problem area is in the wrist of the stock, specifically just forward of the grip as there's next to no material there to provide any stiffness. Part of the material is removable via the trigger guard piece, and there's a big hole in what remains to allow the trigger to pass through. To make matters worse, the two pieces don't interlock at all other than a small locating tab at the rear. Combine this with the overall narrowness of the grip area and there's just nothing there to provide any level of strength what-so-ever.


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Clamp the butt of your stock into a vice, then grab the end of the fore-end and using minimal force push it to one side or the other while looking to see where it bends. I guarantee you it will be right there forward of the wrist. With the stock still clamped in the vise, grab the fore-end again and give it a good twist and again watch to see where it flexes. Again, you will find it's in the wrist - and to some extent in the magazine well area (another area we can't adequately reinforce).

Now to prove another point I've made in the past, with the butt stock still clamped in the vise, lightly push down on the fore-end to see just how much it flexes - and more importantly, pay particular attention to where the flex point is. You guessed it - it's not in the fore-end at all, it's in the wrist. Now clamp the stock in the vice so the vise jaws end about even with the front action screw and check for the fore-end flex again. If you can get more than a hair of deflection you must be really putting your weight on it, and if you pay attention you'll notice the flex point is at the recoil lug pocket - an area we can't adequately reinforce.

That's not to say the "Fit" between the stock and barrel on some guns may be tighter than others which leads to barrel/fore-end contact when using a bipod. If that's the case, simply wrap some 60-grit sandpaper around an appropriately sized deep well socket and open the channel a little to get more clearance. Wasting time and money epoxying in aluminum shafts or God knows what else is going to do nothing but add weight.

It all boils down to this guys: No matter what you do or try, you'll never be able to polish a turd into a shiny nugget of gold. Gluing on the trigger guard isn't going to help stiffen up the wrist at all. Epoxying aluminum shafts into the fore-end isn't going to fix the weak wrist problem, nor will it affect the minimal amount of flex present at the recoil lug pocket. Plain and simple - it's a crap design and will always be a crap stock, period - and you're better off saving the money you're planning to spend on arrow shafts and epoxy and bondo to put towards a quality aftermarket stock when they become available (and yes - according to my covert informants there are a couple options already in the works).

[fgw_in_fla]

In spite of all the work & tinkering I've done to my Axis rifles, I have to agree with much of what Jim says. The mods I recommend will stiffen the stock alot but it is not the end all / cure all. It's clearly a stock made for a $250 rifle. I put that piece together to help the new guys out & that's just what it does. Forend reinforcement is only for extra supprt so you can use a bipod. making the trigger guard / grip area one piece using epoxy will stiffen the area but it won't solve the actual problem.
The absolute cure is one of y'all needs to go & buy a good used injection mold system & start making a better stock. I can kick in a few bucks to help as long as I get one out of the deal.
Another option is to help me get Bob Fortier out of Canada & into the states. If we can make it worth his while & bait him here, we can lock him in a stock building sweat shop until he hooks us up.
No matter what you do, do it well & be safe at it.
Happy New Year y'all.
Frank in Fla

[J.Baker]

Well Frank, I know for a fact there's a U.S. based aftermarket wood stock option on the way, and a reliable little birdie told me that an aftermarket synthetic option isn't too far away either. About par for the course with the aftermarket stock guys getting onboard given the Axis is now going into it's 3rd year - seems that's the usual lead time these days.

[J.Baker]

Thanks,
Little birdies friend

Friend?


Woops, wrong little birdie, so he says.

So who says?

[Blue Avenger]

Friend?



So who says I have friends?

Jim B. - Site Administrator
This one time....at Savage Camp...all the guys I thought were my friends hung me by my shorts from the flag pole.




Pat would be my guess

[J.Baker]

Whatever - that southern Florida sunshine must be having an effect again.

[smitty273]

has anyone seen the inside of the wrist of the axis stock? is it solid or hollow? any pictures?

[Blue Avenger]

solid, to thin to be hollow. Unless there was a bad injection during molding.

[smitty273]

that's what I assumed, but thought maybe some kind of honeycomb.

[thermaler]

Well Frank, I know for a fact there's a U.S. based aftermarket wood stock option on the way, and a reliable little birdie told me that an aftermarket synthetic option isn't too far away either. About par for the course with the aftermarket stock guys getting onboard given the Axis is now going into it's 3rd year - seems that's the usual lead time these days.
After all we went through I'm just a bit curious why you waited till now to lift the veil of truth before our eyes! : )

I certainly hope that the long-awaited stock salvation you refer to includes the hogue overmolded--I love mine on my 111 : )

[J.Baker]

Maybe because it was info I myself just came to know in the last 2-3 weeks, and/or maybe it's because the manufacturers in question swore me to secrecy as nothing's finalized or in production yet. Take your pick.

[bobfortier]

Another option is to help me get Bob Fortier out of Canada & into the states. If we can make it worth his while & bait him here, we can lock him in a stock building sweat shop until he hooks us up.

Nice try ! Actually I really appreciate our Canadian winter up here. And I have stopped making stocks, got a promotion at work and no more time to work in the shop on evenings.

But I kept 3 stocks for my own use.

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