Need Help

[supergolfer18]

Have a Savage 10 FXP with the 22" sporter barrel and cheap stock(non-accustock) and the rifle has Accu-trigger and is 308 WIN. Can not get this gun to shoot at all. My remy 770 shoots sub MOA consistantly with factory ammo and can not get the Savage to shoot even MOA with facotry or handloads


Any ideas on what may be causing this? Scope rings and base are solid and action screws are torqued down.

[hafejd30]

Check to make sure the barrel is free floated. Slide a piece of paper/$ bill between barrel and forend. These stocks flex alot in the forend. Check with whatever setup you use to shoot on as the stock may be flexing enough to touch barrel when forend is resting on bags/bipod.

[jonbearman]

I would also see if the rear tang where the safety button is and make sure it is free floated under that area right up to the trigger. I would also try an actual torque wrench and torque the rear screw to 20 inch lbs and the front at 35 inch lbs. Shoot 3 shots and see if that helps. Then try increasing the torque on the rear screw by 5 inch lbs at a time.

[stangfish]

I have seen a barrel come from the factory .004 oversized on the minor diameter of the bore. The smith caught it and I verified it with a set of Starret small bore gauges. 2 inch groups where good. If all else fails check that dimmension.

http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail?k=S829EZ

[supergolfer18]

good info I will check that out. I shot today with my Rem 770 and it shooting bugholes with factory ammo and sighted scope in with 3 shots. Savage took 6 shots of adjusting and still no where near bullseye of target. Checked scope rings/base and all were tight. Getting very frustrated with this rifle although I want it to shoot well

[learjet]

id swap scopes and try. seems like lots more bad scopes than guns out there

[supergolfer18]

I will try to swap scopes to see what happens. Both scopes are Nikon Prostaff but one is the newest model with finger adjustable turret and the old one you have to use a penny or screwdriver to make click adjustments

[skypilot]

What twist rate and what grain and style bullets are you trying?

[supergolfer18]

Savage told me it is a 1:10" and 22" length sporter barrel


Tried 165 SSTs with Varget and RL-15 and now 8208 XBR(best load so far barely gets me 1.25MOA) and also shot some factory 168 BHRedbox ammo

Granted I was shooting the 150 Win PP to get me sighted in the other day but it was not even getting me close to center with scope adjustments so that is why I was having issues

[davemuzz]

I've loaded and shot a pile of .308's. No matter what, I've always seem to have my "best luck" with Varget and any quality 150gr. bullet. (With the exception of a Nosler Partition). I've loaded some 165gr. that have worked well.....but not all brands. I'm sorry I can't recall what brands those were as I haven't loaded up the .308 for many years now.

My "true love" is anything in the 6.5mm's.

Dave

[skypilot]

Sounds like a good weight bullet for that twist. Im guessing the scope, or the synthetic stock is flexing and causing barrel interference. Is that a package deal, as in the scope came from Savage with the rifle or a scope of your own? Seems some scopes on the packages went bad internally relatively quickly.

Also what are you resting the rifle on to shoot, a bipod, sled, BR or what? And is this used every time you shoot?

I know it's frustrating, but with all the experience on here I believe it can be solved.

[supergolfer18]

yes it was package but threw a new Nikon Prostaff 4-12x40 scope on there. Shot off of front sand bags and rear bags. Also purchased a lead-sled and it didn't help shot the same. It does have the cheap factory stock on there

[ellobo]

I have had 2 Savage rifles with the tupperware stock and have never had a flex problem with them. I shoot with bags front and rear or offhand hunting. I have never had a problem shooting sub-MOA with those stocks. When I hear about problems with accuracy being the fault of the stock I wonder what is being done to them to cause that much flex, flex I have never seen while shooting. I can twist the forearm by hand but it takes a lot effort and I am not a weakilng. Don't challeng me to a shooting match with a .45 auto.

El Lobo

[Nor Cal Mikie]

You cleaning that barrel? If so, STOP! Run about 20 rounds through it and see if the accuracy changes. May need to be "seasoned" and cleaning brings it right back to where you started from.

[supergolfer18]

I was cleaning it after about 20-30 rounds. And I just thoroughly cleaned it of all the fouling and buildup so now it has only 6 rounds down it since I cleaned it

[davemuzz]

That should be good. When I said "clean the barrel" I ment to get the copper out. Those factory barrels can and do have some rough spots that will "iron out" after 20 or 30 rounds....but they will also leave some copper. Get the copper out and then you can shoot 50 or 100 rounds with no issues. I didn't mean to do a scrub job after every 10 rounds. Heck....I never do that. I give mine a "Wipe Out" copper cleaning after about 100 to 150 rounds.

BTW....as far as the tupperware stocks are concerned, many guys have sturdied 'em up with carbon arrows glass bedded into 'em and what not. However, I had a Stevens in .308 caliber that I simply Davcon bedded the action and it would smack the 8"x12" at 400 yards all day long. 150gr. Hornady over....varget.

FWIW

Dave

[supergolfer18]

ok still confused. Just shot a 0.490 MOA(1.263) @ 200 yards off bipod with my 270 Win Remington 770 rifle.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/545508_607806066596_274620014_n.jpg



Barely getting 1.26" groups @ 100 with the Savage

[handirifle]

Well, I would say after changing out the scope, s ee what happens. But either way, a 1.25" group is fully acceptable. It may like another bullet, weight or powder even better. Unless you're just trying to put down the Savage the Rem groups have nothing to do with it, other than saying it probably isn't the shooter.

[supergolfer18]

Not trying to put Savage down at all. That is why I bought this rifle instead of another Remington because I heard how great they are.

I will try the different scope and shoot some Black Hills 168 gr BTHP and see what I can come up with.

So far in the Savage have tried the 165 gr SST handloads using Varget/RL15/ 8208 XBR and also tried 165 Interlock using Varget. Also shot the 168 BTHPs and Hornady 165 SST Superformance and also 150 Federal Power Shok blue box ammo.

[skypilot]

Now I think Im confused. I don't think that 1.263@ 200 yds is a .490" MOA group but I could be wrong. If the scope is not an issue concerning the accuracy problem then, bed the action and verify the stock isn't interfering @ the tang and the barrel isn't touching when it is shot. It takes a very, very small change in the rifle to make a big difference on the 100 yd target.


As others mentioned, different bullets and loads may be an issue also, but if a rifle is shooting 1.2"@ 100 yds unbedded and you bed it it should get better.