Looking for any info on the EC Tuners you shooters might have.
I've watched a ton of videos from some very good shooters and this EC Tuner looks like it is something to really add to my gun. I'm at the point I have confidence in my shooting, and my reloading skills are growing every day.
One can't argue with Erik Cortina's legacy and the reviews of his tuners have all been stellar.
Thoughts?
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
Yes, I have experience with the EC tuner and at match's. I also have experience with Mike Ezell's
PDT tuners. I prefer Mike's by a large margin. Mike is a dedicate short range BR shooter where Eric
is not. Mike's tuners has a much finer tuning adjustment, then Eric's. Mike's tuners will fit on standard
BR barrel types, Erics\'s will not without coughing up more money for an adapter. Eric is an F-class
shooter where the barrels are usually 1.25" and his tuner is made for those. If your barrel is much
thinner then that, you need his adapter. Early advertisements did not mention that. Lastly, Eric came
up with using a rather large spring on the inside to keep tension on the main body to stop from
unscrewing itself during repeated shot, Mike uses delrin padded set screws for a friction fit against
the fine threads......My observations over a year and a half is.....Don't put springs in tuners for
harmonics reasons. I have since ( after it cost me a match ) threw the spring in the weeds, added
more weight, and Mike Ezell's padded set screws. Bottom line.....get an Ezell.
There is more to this story, and why I'm building another .284 custom wild cat......Try and look up
a podcast a few months ago where Speedy and Eric, early on is having a discussion. Speedy is a
short porch shooter, and Eric is not......I'll stop there
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: ) I like Eric, we are not friends but I have been around him a bit as well as some other great Fclass shooters from the great state of Texas. He is like a lot of us Texans. Friendly and confident. One thing is certain. It is a business. He spends a lot of money on his equipment, tooling as well as R&D. Somebody has to pay for it. In the end guys like him inovate and move things forward at an inspiring rate.
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
That's a name I'm not familiar with. Went to the site and info seems very sparse. Is there somewhere else I should be looking?
Tuners seem to be a volatile topic, especially on the hide. Some swear by them, others swear about them.Originally Posted by Robinhood
If you enjoy the journey, it is another load factor you need to optimize. I'd also not like a spring in a system that involves high frequency harmonics.
Powder, seat depth and tuner setting are all connected. Change one and the other might be off. I have a hard enough time with just the powder charge and seat depth :)
A lot of truth in your words. Made me stop and think. I think my next investment needs to go towards my improving the basics. A chrono and digital powder dispenser would no doubt help me with the basics of this witches brew of reloading.
Generally if your not competing, just treat it as a toy. For me, I treat it as a tool. Yes tuners can be a volatile
subject. Biggest issue is the disparity between the short porch bench shooters that live in the realm of up to
300 meter's, then you the F-Class shooters that not long ago started using them. The short porch guy's have
been using them for years. The 600 yard plus belly shooters was a rare event to see one, but on the other
hand, they were embraced by the Williamsport type 1000 yard bench rest shooters.
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Accurate repeatable powder charges made a big difference for me but not as much as when I discovered many of my cartridges had excessive run out at the bullet. Once I sorted that out, flyers all but went away.
Get the charges the same, Get the neck tension the same, and eliminate runout(if you have it) and your load workups and shooting will improve dramatically. Then it will all be your fundementals.
I agree with what fuj says. Unless you have the funds to play with, you can get too serious,..... about that new Roll Sizer......https://www.doublealpha.biz/us/rollsizer
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
I saw the rollsizer, it's like the Seb-Nor rests, that's way over my head.
I need to step up in a couple of purchases. I'm looking at a digital powder dispense and a chrono. I'm looking at the Frankford dispenser and the Labradar. I know there are better and more expensive units, but I'm thinking these two will do what I need.
THoughts?
Yeah, don't let the over hyped, and over priced gear get in your way. I use a Lab Radar and got it when they
first came out. I still have my old Ohler as a back up but, just don't plan on using sky screens. The Lab gets
beat up on a regular basis but it's laughable reading the comments, when most simply never read the manual
and setups are wrong.....If your not annealing, it's time to start. That can be an overpriced proposition also.
A simple flame annealer with a steady flow of gas is all that's needed. I run a twin burner design off my home
gas supply......Bottom line.....It's real easy to get to 1/2 MOA. A little more attention to get into the three's, then
getting a bit anal into the two's......Rests, bags, rickety bench's, wind calls and the use of flags ?? Yeah, that's all
in there too.
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I would say it's easy to get below 1, a little more attention to get to 1/2 and a lot of work to get into the threes consistently. Below that is magic :)
And a lot of the work to get to the three's is the nut behind the rifle :)
I love my Labradar. But, if I was buying now I'd probably have to choose a Garmin (unless you can find a discounted deal on the original Labradars). I'd not go back to anything else unless I had my own private range where I could setup an Oehler permanently.
Gonna buy both, but which one first?
A digital powder dispenser or a labradar?
I feel my reloading skills will vastly improve with the dispenser, but realize that I need a chronograph for real load development.
It's always about the Benjamin's!!!!
You will not be disapointed. I made a new cover that my funnel fits into and I trickle from the top into a small cup that sits on the scale
https://ceproducts.shop/products/fx-...-122g-x-0-001g
You can use a lee powder scoop or even a powder drop to get the majority of the load then trickle. I happen to use a RCBS chargmaster and throw 1.5 to 2 grains short. trickle to weight.
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
If you aren't going to one of the really good automatic ones I'd suggest the A&D or similar scale and a 'standard' powder measure/trickler.
I have the Lyman automatic and it is decent enough, but, it is only 0.1gn resolution. The RCBS Matchmaster shows as .04gn resolution but is almost triple the price.
The Lyman (and others in it's price range) does not throw exactly 0.1gn loads. You will still have some over and a few lower. How many depends on the powder and the 'trickle'. So, I set the scale to throw low and trickle up a granule at a time until the scale changes that last 0.1gn. Ideally it means I am better than 0.1gn resolution, but without test weights to verify I can't say that.
I do almost as good with a cheap Lee powder measure and then trickle the same way. Even takes less time than waiting for the electronic one. I am evaluating changing my system as we speak. I think I am going to start by modifying my trickler or making a new one. FYI, I do like the scale portion of the Lyman automatic. It responds well to single sticks of powder and has been stable if you let it warm up a bit (5-10min).
One day I may have to spend the money for the A&D scale.
I keep life simple....I have a 50 year old RCBS Uniflow powder thrower. And an over 40 year old powder
trickler. The last few years, I have been using a pair of Peregrine .02grain resolution scales. Throw a charge
about 1/2 grain under, then trickle up by hand. Now my match ammo, I still use my Ohaus 10/10 beam
scale. It's part of the mental game. The electronic digital scales are plugged into a Tripplite clean power
supply. Got rid of my florescent lighting over the bench and replaced it with all LED. Really helps with scale
drift. My rule of thumb has been to bypass the un-needed and put it into the two most needed areas, and
that's good barrels, and good rifle scopes. No sense doing load development for a so/so pipe that's half blind,
if your chasing 1/2 MOA and tighter......Also, if any piece of gear is made in China, keep your money in your
back pocket.
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Fuj,
Does anyone sell the Peregrine anymore? I remember the price was a lot lower than the A&D. I had a bookmark for Peregrine (bullets) but they don't list it anymore.
And stupid me. I had a really nice Ohaus beam scale I got from a lab when they went digital. I gave it to a friend when we moved a while back.
I also changed to all LED lights a while ago. Makes a world of difference for me, especially with tying fishing flies.
When I first realized I needed more precision in my powder charges, I cut a 12'x12'x3/4" Macarta platform and secured the beam scale to the platform. The platform had three tapped holes with knobed screws to level/zero the scale. (Scott Parker had put new parts and tuned up my scale. I learned a lot from that process) I then put a camera on the platform pointed at the indicator. I could really see a high resolution on the scales indicator on my monitor. I mounted my trickler to where it was out of the way but could trickle right into the pan. It was a nice setup but it was tiring as I double checked each weight. I bought a RCBS Chargemaster but found my accuracy was horrible even with modified speeds and a nozle. I used my old scale to check charges. Wow the Chargemaster was just not precision enough. So I got the A&D. Now I drop with the RCBS and finish on the A&D. Story of a poor mans journey. Buy once cry once. And yes, I went to 4' LED shop lights also.
Weren't we talking about tuners? LOL
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
Sometimes it's good to get side tracked.....LOL
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Us? Sidetracked? LOL
Okay people, I broke down and purchased the Cortina Precision AK-Hunter tuner for my Axis Precisions 223. It's supposed to arrive on Saturday and the weather reports are for mid to high 60's and sunny. This is really needed because we just got drowned with over 5 inches of rain yesterday. Gonna get to the range on Saturday morning, shoot some baseline shots without the tuner then go back Sunday and shoot the same # with the tuner.
Stay tuned to this bat channel!
Eric Cortina’s success in 1,000yd FClass Competition is undeniable.
A while back, He answered a challenge and shot some Short Range Bench Rest, and produced some good groups.
I would now like to see him shoot 1,000yd Bench Rest under IBS, Freedom, etc. Rules. Could be interesting.
So you're the one who sent us this miserable rainy weather here in Ohio today. Thanks! lol
"Life' is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
“Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.” —Mark Twain
I think Speedy is pushing him to try that. I know Erik has also been shooting some PRS here and there.
"Life' is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
“Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.” —Mark Twain
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