Before I bought my barrel, I went to the end of the internet and back it seems like. I read articles and endless posts about the process from A to B and saw many different opinions about them. It's that about all aspects of anything these days. It's Ford vs Chevy on the internet, but now it includes guns.
I think getting into a debate about David Tubbs Final Finish kits is a fools errand. One only has to look at his lifelong record and successes. His opinions go to the very top rung of the ladder. There is a huge difference IMO about those who do anything for recreation, and those who do it for a living. After speaking with Urban rifleman, he recommended it. Good enough for me. Nobody knows his product better than he does.
In the end, it comes down to confidence in your equipment and your own ability.
Amen. I noticed we were talking about your rifle. You do what you want when it is your rifle.Originally Posted by Mcrider55
I may or may not do what you do but i reserve the right to comment if you put it out there. Even if I don't know diddly. Cause this is the internet.
Chive on.
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
Ditto. I only clarified my reason for doing what I did. I welcome and will listen to most opinions. Knowing all sides of the equation is how one is supposed to learn and make the best informed decisions for themselves.
All good my brother.
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
So what’s included in Tubb’s “Finishing Kit” and what does it do?
From Tubbs himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxuMtyF2Ym0
I've fire lapped barrels before (about 40yrs ago), but, not new or good barrels. Only those I could not get to shoot any other way.
I did hand lap a barrel before, but, it was examined and had machine marks that I wanted to remove before shooting. It worked but was tedious and took a lot of work to make the jig and laps.
If You don’t mind charlie, what were the results of the fire lapping ?
It worked. Took a gun that was shooting largish patterns down to less than 2moa. Pistols with neglected barrels were brought into decent use. One barrel had a 'loose' spot near the middle. Fire lapping made it more even.
The problem I saw with fire lapping is that it worked more on the breech end than the muzzle end. When 'refurbishing' a barrel this works kind of in your favor as it 'smooths' the throat erosion a bit. It was also easier to do than true barrel lapping. Also easy to ruin a barrel with just a couple of rounds. Did that once too, although it was not that good to start with.
The same experience I had. I also had a number of customers doing it and keeping track of results, on crappy factory barrels. The number one complaint was the throat moved out about 200-300 percent. It stands to reason, that is where most of the abrasion will take place, and the abrasive gradually breaks down towards the muzzle. All said that they gained some accuracy and it was easier to clean, but in the long run......well, there wasn't really a long run because accurate barrel life was cut in half.
And as you said, easy to ruin a barrel too. I know one customer stuck a bullet about 2 inches into the bore. I had to drill it out, but it still left a slight bulge. If you have nothing to lose, bore grinders might help, but I'd never do it to a new barrel.
"As long as there's lead in the air....there's still hope.."
So what I am hearing through out this post: Tubbs is selling a product. The more of them Tubbs sells, the more money in his pocket. Tubbs makes a video that could be at best considered misleading in order to sell more products. I am no expert but I dont think running the whole kit through a new barrel is the best option. I think I would shoot the barrel before and then maybe one or two tubbs bullets. Just my opinion for what its.
I am sorry, I may have mispoke.
Absolutely.....Why take a barrel that's maybe a tack driver, and f__k it up ??....Wilson Arms Barrels if you read the dealer
reports, are a select match grade, and air gauged to .0002" barrel. Worried about burrs or flash ?? the air gauge tool
would not fit to begin with.......As you fire lap a bore, the grit cuts hard at the lead first, then diminishes to where it cut's
nothing the last few inches. Multiple shots can remove enough lead to where it's prematurely uneven or washed out. At
an earlier then normal round count, the barrel would be getting a set back. My opinion would not let me buy a, quote
precision barrel, then be recommended to fire lap it. Shoot it first. if it don't shoot, it will probably be something else.....
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
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