Looking Forward to 2025.....

[Fuj']

UBR targets are .22, .243, and .308. Those are your primary BR sizes shot. The in between calibers
are adjusted up to fit and not down The main argument is that some may say a target handicaps a certain
caliber when actually the shooter's choice of caliber is the problem and not the target since the target
is published fact. I choose 7mm that's my choice, and forces me to be a few thou more accurate. Lets say
someone decides to build a bench gun in .277, 270 cal. ?? He would also have to shoot on the .308 target.
Same as .17's and 20 cal, They would have to shoot on the .22. It just levels the playing field overall, and
keeps one single caliber from being dominate.....At this past match, there was a mix of 30's an 6mm's in
custom class. It was close, and the 6mm pulled it off for the win. In Hunter class a .22 won the overall.
Never count out the .222 !!

[LDSILLS]

The way I understand it, and like everything.....When a sport needs a change or a new direction
to boost participation, there are those that resist change of any kind. So UBR was formed and
hit the ground running. UBR is strictly score shooting......As for maybe tension ?? i control that
better then religion. I know when the bullets are not playing well. Been at this awhile.

No offense man about the tension. We have both been at this this awhile seriously. I just know my metal metrology and despite all the stuff they do to make brass better for cases its a finicky metal and subject to bumps and bruise because its soft. This gets critical especially if you jump to the lands a fairly long distance.

Bottomline due to its maleability all it takes is a bump when loading into the chamber or handling rounds and you have a flyer. Yes I know your careful with handling just mentioning this for others. If I see that hole I dont like I mark the brass and it goes to the test case bin. That is one reason I choose to have a single load breach instead of a magazine. Just my two cents.

Good stuff Fuj, thanks for keeping us updated on your new rifle. Cant wait to hear more..

[charlie b]

Thanks Fuj. I thought I remembered it that way.

It was nice that they did the different targets. When folks went to larger calibers it did hurt the 'little' guys. Cast bullet BR is still like that. I still remember turkey shoots where folks would bring out slug guns with .75 bores so they could cut the string easier.

A long time ago a group of folks out here talked about scoring based on bullet center, not edges. Don't why they did not continue with that type of scoring but it would do away with caliber advantages. Probably too much error in scoring.

[KMW1954]

A long time ago a group of folks out here talked about scoring based on bullet center, not edges. Don't why they did not continue with that type of scoring but it would do away with caliber advantages. Probably too much error in scoring.

Not so much a matter of scoring error as it is the time consumption. Scoring large numbers of targets takes time. We have 20+ members that shoot in our winter league and at the same time there is always a bonus money shot which gets measured center to center and I would hate to have to score those myself.

[charlie b]

Not so much a matter of scoring error as it is the time consumption. Scoring large numbers of targets takes time. We have 20+ members that shoot in our winter league and at the same time there is always a bonus money shot which gets measured center to center and I would hate to have to score those myself.

Yeah, I didn't take in the time factor either. And the scoring in tight matches is tough. Not a job I'd like. Watching those guys deliberate on close shots and the stress they were under to get it right.

[Fuj']

Well things still on track, but been busy with other aspects of life.....Since Savage Shooters will be closing
it's doors, I'll try to finish up this episode then skidattle......I have been more focused towards the bullet
making aspect for a 7mm bR type. May have a first push sample in a week or so. In the mean time, I have
done a little more to the main rifle. After the last match, I went and added my Ezell PDT tuner with one of
my typical mods, and added a 4th screw to the 3 screw PTA. Had the rifle out the other day for the new tests
and it can win......I'll get a few more pics up in a day or two. in the mean time......

[PhilC]

I'll see your updates on AccurateShooter when the lights go out here.

[Fuj']

I'll see your updates on AccurateShooter when the lights go out here.

Yeah, maybe get a thread going who else hangs out there. It's a sad affair for sure. Went thru this myself
with an ATV site here in Pa. One minute we were still out in the woods racing and hill climbing the strippin's
and next thing you know, ATV's were a thing of the past. Closed the site then went racing the sand dunes
and did'nt look back.

[KMW1954]

Yeah, maybe get a thread going who else hangs out there. It's a sad affair for sure. .

I've been there for awhile now.

[charlie b]

Nice to see the project getting so close.

I've been 'over there' but not participated much. Maybe have to get more involved. Certainly a lot of 'strong' personalities over there. :)

[KMW1954]

Nice to see the project getting so close.

. Certainly a lot of 'strong' personalities over there. :)

There certainly are. I quickly learned the who's. Thankfully I'm thick skinned.

[Fuj']

Yeah. I've seen several Pros get run off or no longer participate. There was a large migration over to
Accurate Shooter when Bench Rest went down. It's back up at a minimum but lost all it's old data. It's
trying to rebuild but it's look and feel are not the same. Times are changing......

[Fuj']

Alrighty.....Center magazine block I install on all my chassis rifles now has 2 screws, making it a
4 screw PTA. 45 inch lbs on all four......And yesterday's final 300 yard target with the Ezell PDT.
I had a general Idea how it did at 100 yards, and set the tuner to be in that range. I moved two
full marks for every 3 shots. I had a nice 45 minute window in the morning with very light breeze.
Started out looking ugly but the barrel was cold and too clean......Next test before the Tack Driver
Light match on June 28th I'll do a spread starting at T-21 and just move one mark untill I get to T-27.
T-25 if it holds, is the money.....Note that this is a 100yard target shot at 300 which makes thing worse
then they really look.

[charlie b]

That sure does show the difference. Nice for a 300yd tgt.

[Fuj']

Coming down to the wire, and why i built this rifle. On June 28th, just a few weeks away, I go head to head
with some of the top shooters in Pa. and surrounding states for the Pa. Tack Driver Lite. Quite a few on this
bench assignment list will be at the main Tack Driver event held in Orangeburg SC, including myself. This will
be held around the first of November......The TD-Lite is 6 targets shot at 300 yards. 3 are group and 3 are score.
The main Tack Driver is shot over 2 days at 300 meters. 5-group and 5-score. Both ranges are not known for
even conditions. You can bet on winds changing thru out the day and in all directions.....Pretty much done other
then loading all the cherry picked components. The only real thing I have to do is do the final tuner check. I want
to do that at the actual range (Anderson Creek) the match is held at. But if weather gets in the way, I'll have to do
it here at my home range......I drew bench 7 - relay one.

SCORE WITH TOTAL TD 06-28-25.pdf

[charlie b]

Only one other person shooting a 7mm.

Good luck at the match.

[Fuj']

Thanks Charlie.....

Yeah, the 6PPC generally wins these short range events, followed by the 6 BRA. The 30BR's are usually
left home. They shine in the 100/200 match. Yeah, Andy bringin' the big gun. He's a Williamsport guy
and one of our top gunsmiths.

[charlie b]

Do the 22PPC's ever show up?

[Fuj']

Your starting to see more of them but here's the problem.....Seeing bullet holes at 300 especially when
any amount of mirage kicks in. By rule for this type of match, no spotting scopes allowed but Jim Cline
is altering that because Orangeburg can get real bad, and 6mm shooter can't see holes.....Hot ticket for
the 22 ppc is a Hensley bullet. Him and the boy's out of Virginia have been doing real well. Not many .22s
will shoot Anderson Creek where I mainly compete. It can get get some hard switching winds. Still have a
.22 cat on the back burner. maybe this coming winter I'll get back at that for the 100/200 match's.

[charlie b]

Thanks. Yeah, mirage is a horrible thing for spotting holes.

I'm considering what to do with my .223. The old Savage barrel is starting to open up a bit. Not sure if I want to replace it with another .223 barrel or get a .22PPC/ARC. I do like shooting heavier bullets at 300 and 600yd. What does your cat look like?

[Fuj']

Thanks. Yeah, mirage is a horrible thing for spotting holes.

I'm considering what to do with my .223. The old Savage barrel is starting to open up a bit. Not sure if I want to replace it with another .223 barrel or get a .22PPC/ARC. I do like shooting heavier bullets at 300 and 600yd. What does your cat look like?

Cat will be based off a shortened version of the 22 Nosler. I want a fatter case but about the same capacity and long
neck like the original .222. Now think about this, if your going to rebarrel, the old school .222 still holds records, and
if not for my wild catting nature, I'd chamber the .222 before the 22ppc or the arc.....For what it's wortfh, a friend of
mine at the club is shooting the .220 Russian. it hammers with 77 SMK's.....

[charlie b]

Sometimes older is better :)

.220 Russian would be kinda cool. Cousin of the .22PPC and ARC. And I agree on the .222, father of the .223. Gives me more to think about. After the 6BR I am beginning to favor the 'short fat' cartridges. Really consistent velocities.

Brass. Looks like Lapua still makes .220 Russian as well.

You know you can be a troublemaker :)

[Fuj']

LOL !! The 220 Russian is the parent case of the PPC. Just no screwing around forming brass.

[charlie b]

Yeah, that 7.62x39 case is a great intermediate size for many calibers. And the .22ARC is basically the .22PPC with a different twist rate.

Still sitting on fence :) Reality is it will probably boil down to what I can get in a reasonable time frame.