As state before, there long and slender! Trouble is by the time you hit the lands with them, you only have about half of the bullet toughing the lands with only 1/2 of the bullet in the neck!

They seem stabel, I tried by finger to move and twist them, but they were secure. Just a note, Berger 130's seat considerablebly more!

I will let you know how the JLK's do this evening

Dennis