Interesting on the 357max....i shoot a 22" .357max from the TC custom shop, and i've had fast kills with it when using 180XTP's. One deer i recall might have made it 40yards or so, but most were dropped, or at the most went 10-15 yards. However, our deer here tend to be on the smallish side, with bucks dressing out at 125# or so average, with maybe few big ones dressing at 150#...does are usually 100# tops. And, our shots are pretty much always in timber, say maybe 75 yards or so average.
In my 30/30carbines, once i went to lighter bullets...130gr Speer HP, 130Speer FN, 125gr Sierra FNSP, Barnes 120 black tips, etc...most of the deer i've shot were pretty much dead in their tracks. Those hit with 150's of course still folded up, but often there was a short dash, say maybe 20-40yards....kind of thought the lighter slugs dump energy inside the target better, instead of carrying half of it out the other side.
i have hunted with .300black, and shot a few deer, seemed to be about like the 30/30 or so. I've only shot a few deer with it, but i have shot several with the .30reece (.30x357 mag), and with 110's, TTSX's, a few were dead right there, a few more made it a short distance.
One good think when shooting monolithic bullets like the Tac-TX, TTSX, GMX, E-Tips, etc in the smaller cartridges is when busting shoulders, i see much less bloodshot meat...you can pretty much eat right up to the bullet hole...and Shoulder-Shots on deer pile them up fast, and in heavy cover i don't like worrying about long blood trails.
no input on suppressed blackouts, as i usually go the other route and shoot light bullets fast.
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