Reply With QuoteInteresting. Do you know what bullet weight range it offers?
Anyone have the newest edition of G&A? New straightwall cartridge based on 30/30 case blown out, most of the taper removed and using a .358 bullet. Case length is .195 longer than 357 Max.
Interesting. Do you know what bullet weight range it offers?
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Kinda looks like a .357herrett that got stuck in a taffy puller
Just realized, this should meet "straight wall cartridge" requirements imposed in some states, and in some ways makes more sense than the .355 bullet specs used in the .350 legend.
No, I do not. I saw this posted elsewhere today. The article is in Guns & Ammo, and I let my subscription end a couple months ago, so I haven’t seen all of the info.Originally Posted by Slowpoke Slim
The 35 /30-30 has been around for a long time. States will probably approve it for straight wall where they would never consider a 35 Bullberry.
I agree about the .355’s. Its interesting in some ways. .358 bullet selections may increase for the Max. A 30/30 based cartridge makes sense. Lever gun popularity seems to be on the increase.
38/55 in .355?
I happen to have an extra MGM barrel in .357 mag, might make a good rechamber
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Does this do anything that the 35 Remington can't? There's some "cool factor", the rimmed cartridge would be great for Contender fans and there's some advantage for those in some states but is this just going to be another niche chambering for which ammo is never in stock anywhere? I'm not seeing reloading dies available anywhere. The 350 Legend may be at a disadvantage ballistically and, yeah, the choice of .355 caliber seems ill considered, but that ammo is all over the place. If there's a distinct advantage to chamberings developed for the AR platform, it's ammo support and coverage, at least for as long as the round is popular with the black rifle demographic. If I lived in a "straight-wall" state, I think I'd set up a 350 legend and never look back. :)
when big green was on the block it was sectioned off, the ammo mfg was bought by a another group , Ruger aquired Marlin. This 30 buckhammer sounds similar to several other cartridges as noted, but I will toss in the 7 mm international R, along the others_ 3855 , 7mm Waters 375 win. and the Legend, Herrets and a couple others i can't put my finger on right now. In the end run it is the straight walled case rules and " commercially mfg Rounds" which is the gottcha part.
REM 357 max was .01 reduced length of Mr Gates 357 cartridge- if memory serves me correctly, the Legend comes along with .01 added back on but in .355 ( .358 pills work just fine in it) As I have not seen a print of the of 30 buck cartridge i can only surmise the above.
Thirty years ago T/C offered 14" and 21" 375 Win barrels. I'm not going backward for something new. I'm wondering what kind of a audience they plan to target? Henry single shot? CVA Scout? Marlin lever? We know it won't work in a AR with a rim. I wonder how long it will last.
I’ve heard Henry is building lever actions and single shots for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if CVA gets onboard.
Only that it will comply with the odd "straight cartridge" requirememnts of some states. You can't use a .30-30 or .243 Win but you can a .405 Win or .458 Win? Obviously politicians are not hunters or shooters.
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i'll just stick with the 35/30-30, thank you. it will kill deer, even tho its old and decrepited.
Go off when you pull the trigger? Many years ago I had a .35 Remington factory barrel that would only fire about 25% of the time with factory Remington ammo.
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This has my interest some what for the very reasons mentioned above. I live in a "straight-wall" type state (they modified the rules last year to allow bottle necks as long as they are .355" bullet up to a .500") and the amount of people that will flock to these new compliant cartridges is staggering. However as mentioned above it only lends itself to certain platforms and if the ammo availability is not there it will flounder and die. For me however as long as reloading components (or at least dies) become available, then I welcome most new additions that are able to broaden my options. It does seem to be a direct replacement for the 35 rem but in true straight wall. The idea of a .35 Rem has been passing through my head, however if this becomes even remotely popular and a lever gun and components are fairly easily acquired then this may be a better choice. I wonder how it would perform with a Hornady Flex tip bullet? May have to think on this one.
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I wondered the same thing. If this cartridge takes off I would expect Hornady to chamber for it in their LEVERevolution line. Hornady already has a 200 grain FTX bullet in their 35 Remington LEVERevolution chambering.
Some of the straight wall states have a maximum case length of 1.8" which the. 405 and .458WM do not meet. I do find it odd that manufacturers are trying to market to 4-5 states' laws and hoping enough of the other states' hunters and shooters hop on with a new shiny toy.
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Many of these states are some of the best trophy whitetail hunting in the country (not saying there are not good deer in other areas) and have a pretty high number of hunters per sq. mile average so sales would generate pretty quickly. Especially when you figure that most of these states have been shotgun slug only states up until the last 10-15 years or so. For these guys switching over to any kind of rifle was like opening up pandora's box (in relation to hunting things other than paper or varmints). And factor in the human desire to go out in the woods with something "better" than your buddy has that many people are afflicted with and you get a pretty concentrated potential buying market. Y'all in the rest of the world have been able to attend that party for decades and we just finally got the invite, even if we have to go with a straightwall chaperone. LOL
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Boots,
Having spent my first 22 years in Iowa I commend you on a great perspective on how Iowegions hunt and think. I have two brothers that still live and hunt deer in Iowa. They switched to the 350 legend as soon as it came out.
Mark
You're correct, of course. In 1980 & later in NY I hunted for woodchuck with a .270 Win loaded with a 110 gr bullet in the same farms/fields I was restricted to shotgun slug only that had a region wide rifle prohabition during deer season. Go figure. I could hunt red squirrels year-round (except the four week regular deer season) with a .338 Lapua if I chose to . . . but not use a rifle of any size for whitetail deer. Happily my region opened to rifle a few years back. Thank God.
We cannot expect sensible game laws from legislators who have never hunted, or even been off pavement.
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I never did understand the logic behind the .350 Legend using .355" (9mm) bullets. The cartridge was clearly designed to be used in modern bolt-action rifles as well as the AR15 platform - all of which can use pointy bullets, so why handicap it with round or blunt nosed pistol bullets with the B.C. of a cinder block? If I were to ever decide to hang up my 94 Big-Bore in .375 Winchester in favor of a .350 Legend, I'd order a custom .358 barrel just so I could take advantage of rolling my own ammo with rifle bullets.
As for the .360 Buckhammer, looks like Federal's answer to the .350 Legend. Big downside is that it's based on the .30-30's rimmed case which means it's not going to be compatible with most of today's most popular rifle platforms.
Personally I'd still like to see an updated version of the .375 Winchester cartridge - maybe based off a 7mm Rem Mag case to retain the straight wall? Plenty of good .375cal bullets out there already with higher B.C.'s, and you could even come up with some good subsonic loads with the VLD-style bullets for hunting suppressed.
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