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    If you shoot <.5" groups at 50, will you shoot <1" at 100 ?

    I've been enjoying my .223 and have often shot sub 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards. Unfortunately 50 yards is the longest range I currently have.
    Would it follow that I could probably shoot less than 1" groups with my preferred ammo at 100 yards ?
    Just wondering out loud, as I can't do much else about it at this time.

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    Theoretically yes, but not guaranteed due to other factors involved. Further out you go, the more shooter error is magnified as well. Environmental effects (wind, etc) play a bigger factor as well as distance increases. Going from 50 to 100 wouldn't constitute a significant change in those effects, but they're still there.
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    I agree. The opposite can also be true. Seen guns shoot >MOA at 100yds, but <MOA at 200yds. Doesn’t really make sense, but sometimes projectiles don’t make any.. Just ask the Kennedys.

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    All you can say is "the potential is there." There could be other factors involved; like nerves at shooting at an unfamiliar distance, smaller apparant target, wind, etc.

    I was out last week (chronographing a load to get a Leopold turret made up) and the influencing factor was a swarm of stupid blow and deer flies getting under my hat visor and behind my glasses. Absolutely distracting! I still had two sub-MOA groups and I was happy to call it a day.
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    Thanks for chiming in guys.
    Hopefully, sometime this Summer, I can get to a friends place and try out 100 and 200. This guy has a farm with animals and I just don't want to be an imposition. I've been hoping he invites me as he knows I would like to try out the range. In the mean time, I'm just working on skills.

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    The hard part for you will be seeing progress. At 50yd you will measure progress in less than tenths of an inch. I know I get frustrated if I don't see significant progress when I am working on a skill.

    FWIW, if you want to save some on ammo, an air rifle at 25yd is a great tool for improving technique. Only problem is it would have to be one of better accuracy, which means a bit of money.

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    I’ve seen a 7mag that would shoot no better than 1.5” at 100yds. But it shoot 2” at 300yds.

    I bought and went down the .22lr worm hole to enjoy shooting 50yds.
    It’s been really fun and challenging to 300yds.

    Cheers. A lot of fun to be had at 50yd. With a center fire in my opinion is not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamiltonkiler View Post
    I’ve seen a 7mag that would shoot no better than 1.5” at 100yds. But it shoot 2” at 300yds.

    I bought and went down the .22lr worm hole to enjoy shooting 50yds.
    It’s been really fun and challenging to 300yds.

    Cheers. A lot of fun to be had at 50yd. With a center fire in my opinion is not one of them.

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    Thank you for attesting to exactly as I said hamiltonkiler.

    But wait…it couldn’t have done that..! Didn't you hear it’s COMPLETELY WRONG?? Yeah, because of ya know, angles! Even though you did this yourself… just as I’ve seen the same.. But we couldn’t have, right? Because it’s- uh.., wrong? Angles bra.. angles.

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    It is not all simple angles.

    Start watching at the 6:11 point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJ8EoGmLuE

    Can sometimes take a while for a round to stabilize after leaving the muzzle.

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    Cool video.... But you can not take a bullet that is heading one direction and have it magically change direction back to original point of aim--- Yaw or stability not withstanding. Even if a bullet was not stabilized and then did- it's still to late, it is already off course.

    It has been done many times.... electronic marker targets set up at 100- 200- and at 300 yards. That way you are not comparing one group against another group (which is worthless in this discussion)- but the same group at different distances- and they never had a example of better groups at distance. At one time a ballistician (maybe Brian Litz,, can't remember) was offering big money to someone if they could actually verify the better groups at distance (didn't happen).

    If you think about it the bullet would have to change directions twice-- once to correct for going off course, and then somehow it would know when it was in the right spot- and then change again so not to go too far the other direction.

    If you shoot better at distance I would take a very good look at your parallax.... it makes a bigger difference at close range.

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    I'll put it simply....There's a reason long VLD bullets, and fast twists are shot at
    distance, and those stubby flat base bullets with very slow twists are shot close
    in. Bring the right tool to the job at hand. As for bullets doing course corrections ??
    Happens all the time....It called "Conditions".
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