How good are the Weaver scopes that come on the Axis xp? A friend has enough to get the gun and scope combo but doesn't have enough to replace the scope if needed. thanks for any help
How good are the Weaver scopes that come on the Axis xp? A friend has enough to get the gun and scope combo but doesn't have enough to replace the scope if needed. thanks for any help
Are you asking about features, or robustness? If the latter then ...
If you completely disassemble the rings and bases, clean all the hardware with denatured alcohol to remove the oil (even the screw holes), then reassemble with loctite or another anti-vibe compound - I use Vibratite VC3 - torque eveything with an actual torque wrench, then zero and leave it alone; then it should be good until he can afford another one. And while you're at it, vibratite the action screws an torque them too.
I have $40 Simmons 4x32 scope on spring piston air rifle that has well over a 1,000, shots but its got Vibratite on everything, including the ring surfaces. I also have a $120 Nikon on a 30-30 that has over 700 rounds and Vibratite everywhere and it's still rocking. My 308 has a Bushnell Engage thats been Vibratited and it's still solid after 1200 rounds. My friend has a 22-250 and a 308 but does not own Vibratite, purple Loctite, or a torque wrench. He has sent both scopes and one set of rings back, in the last year. Vibratite and a Wheeler torque wrench is cheaper than a scope. Just my experience.
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While I can appreciate Full Chisel’s excitement over a product working well, Vibratite has nothing to do with scope performance or longevity. Yes, it’s imperative that all mounting hardware be free of oils, greases, contaminates, etc, and need be properly torqued. But it certainly doesn’t matter to the optic HOW that is achieved.
The Axis XP is also available with the Bushnell Banner 3-9x40 scope. Which is a better option. https://www.scheels.com/p/savage-arm...700-57090.html
Bushnell is a better product and carries a MUCH better warranty.
https://www.bushnell.com/bu-warranty.html
Dave, I don't know if you know it or not, but Bushnell and Weaver are pretty much the same company. ATK owns both brands as well as Simmons, Tasco, and Millet. In 2019, they discontinued most all Weaver scopes, except for the model's that they have a deal with selling them through Natchez Shooter's Supply.Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
Both brands have the same Lifetime warranty.
The Weaver that came on my 243 Axis XP crapped out within 6 months......
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Bushnell OWNS Weaver, but they are made in separate facilities & QC’d in separate facilities. Same in their corporate world, but two separate companies on the ground. And their warranties are quite different. Bushnell has their higher end line made in Japan as well.
Beretta owns Burris. But the Burris Xtreme Tactical II & the Beretta 92FS AREN’T made in the same factory, by the same people.
Yeah....I know a “little” bit.
I have had great luck with almost every cheap scope I have owned. Tasco, Bushnell, Weaver, etc. The only problem I have had was a Remington brand scope that came on a .22 rimfire. Part of the reticle came off the glass. The crosshair was still in place and it still worked.
I suspect the newer ones will be the same. Either they will last forever or will give out in the first 50 shots. :)
I agree to remove and reinstall the scope mounts after a good cleaning. I use regular locktite on the base screws. Not on the ring screws. Have never had one come loose.
PS my Axis came with a Bushnell, 4-12x40. Adj parallax. Worked just fine and was gifted to someone else who is using it years later. I got a Vortex Diamondback on sale so it replaced the Bushnell.
Dave, do you know where the Nitro scopes are made? I have 3 of the 6.5-24 and I really like them. The list price was $560 to well over $600, depending on options but they had some unbelievable sales on them. I think I got the last one for $215 after rebate. So far they have been great. I don't think they make the Nitro line today and maybe that is why the price was reduced so much on them.
While I don't disagree that the Bushnell is a better option, I'm not sure what you're saying with your statement "Vibratite has nothing to do with scope longevity". Are you saying that vibratite and loctite don't do anything beneficial if all the torques are set properly? Cause if you are, I know some people that would disagree. Vibratite and loctite are intended to do the same thing - keep stuff from moving when subjected to vibration - just that the Vibratite coating is removable and reusable without recoating screw threads, in case you didn't know. If you think torqueing the bases and rings are gonna keep them from ever moving again, you're nuts. High end bases and rings, maybe, the cheap stuff, no.
Geez man, one long Saturday out at the range and you'll see and hear guys dinking with their scopes and bases, talking about having to send them back, upgrading to a $1,000 piece of glass, yada, yada. It's always the same. Hardly any of them ever put any kind of locker on the screws, and sadly many of them don't own a torque wrench, but they all sure know what they're doing. Simple stuff.
And yeah, I know a little bit too ...
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While I would agree with you to some degree, Talley doesn't recommend thread locker on their integral base/rings and I quit using it years ago without issue. The proper torque is the key. Everyone should own a $40 Wheeler torque driver for that reason.
But these aren't Talley rings on the OP's rifle. And some manufacturers and other industry gurus DO recommend using a locker, including Weaver, which is probably what his rings are.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1009240379
I agree some of the higher tolerance/quality stuff can generally be torqued and left alone. But the OP is talking about buying the cheap stuff and not having the money to buy the good stuff. If you don't think the anti-vibe products have a place here, then that's your opinion, just do the OP a favor and don't mislead him into thinking they won't help; or, that the Weaver scope is gonna fail on the first box of ammo. That won't help him, or the of Savage brand. Seriously, you ever wonder why some people look down on Savages. Help the OP make his stuff work and they won't look have anything to look down upon.
I spent several years doing vibration analysis and remediation for a couple of BIG companies on products that got beat up way worse than this. A lot of went into shake and bake chambers before it ever went into field. You wouldn't believe what some good anti-vibe compound can do for you. They didn't always buy higher priced/tolerance equipment either. Sometimes they just locked the lower quality parts down good and replaced when necessary, which wasn't as often when you used anti-vibe.
Yep, I know a little too ...
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The last part there wasn’t meant in response to your post Full Chisel. You’re reading into what I said too deep. I am a proponent of using lock tight & or Vibratite(which I do use). My only point was simply expounding on thread locking compound being just that. Many people don’t use them and do not have trouble with loosening bolts/screws & such. That’s all No argument was intended.
I'm a big proponent of blue loctite on rings and bases and also have the Wheeler Wrench. I have a habit of letting them sit for 24 hours before shooting the gun. I put a set of Talley lightweight rings and bases on an Axis Compact in 243 and put a Zeiss Terra scope I picked up on clearance about a year before I bought the Axis.
While not on par with the Trijicon and Swarovski scopes I have it is fine for hunting varmints. The most recent scope I bought is a Riton that I put on an AR-10 with a Warne MSR mount. I put loctite on it but haven't gotten around to shoot it yet since I took the ACOG off. The whole setup is probably pushing over nine pounds and is pretty solid and torqueing everything was probably enough I'd rather not have stuff get loose.
Understood.
But I highly encourage anyone who thinks loctite as only a threadlocker to actually go look into it further. It's more than that. It has actual anti-vibe properties by getting itself between the metal surfaces and can decouple two mating surfaces enough from one another enough to attenuate (to some degree) some of the higher frequency vibrations, which are you real destructive forces. Vibratite is even better at doing this. What's never talked about is every time you fire that rifle, you are basically hitting the "ON" button to an ultrasonic cleaner. Everyone only talks about the recoil.
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The Weaver scopes that came on two Axis rifles I have are identical to Weaver Kaspa's. The reviews for Kaspa's are not good.
This ^^^
Their Kaspa line is cheap chinese junk. I wouldn't trust one at all.
The best deal on affordable rifle scopes at the moment is the sale at Cameraland NY for Burris Fullfield II's They are just $144 for a scope you could beat the Kaspa to pieces with, put it on your rifle and still go out and hunt.
Ours is holding up just fine. So far. It was a Xmas gift so it’s not that old.
I previously had a low cost Tasco on a 300 win mag I sold several years ago. It held up great on the gun it was on. Low cost, shot well and held zero fine.
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