I went to Norma shooting,com I paid 14.50 a box for 308 win Norma ammo and brass . 13.50 for 30 rounds of 223 . 9 mm is cheap as well as other ammo . I buy them for the brass . I hope I haven't broke any rules here . But I wanted to share . PS free shipping over 150 bucks . Also paid 11 bucks for 7.62 x 39 Norma cased ammo . I will re form to 6.5 Grendel .