I believe what this is called is vertical stringing. Both Savage rifles and the Remington shot the 60 grain Hornady very poorly but today I tried the seating depth listed in the reloading manual which is much farther off the lands than the original recipe. I didn't try the 22-250 but both the Remington and Axis shot much better but the Savage seems to creep vertically. I know these aren't the best bullets for any of my rifles so I tried the 69 grain Sierra (just in the Axis) which seems to work very well and the Axis shot a 1/2" group but still, it is erring in the vertical. The horizontal error is less than 1/4". It shoots much better with this bullet but still, there is something that is causing the vertical movement. Any Ideas or suggestions?