I have all my parts inbound on my new rifle build... So now its just down to a scope.
I would appreciate feedback.
I have a few 10x fixed SWFAs and they are great and cheap.... but I am ready to get something with a bit more reach.
I like MILS not MOAs.
I like a plain Jane not too busy reticule.
I want TARGET KNOBS.
An illuminated reticule is not necessary, but would be nice to have.
Rugged and good tracking would beat the greatest glass...
No Vortex or other cheap Chinese junk please.
Thanks
Nightforce, Kahles, Schmidt and Bender, ZCO, Swarovski, Steiner.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
Well, I know all those companies exist... I can look in their catalogs all day long.Originally Posted by Robinhood
But I was hoping to hear from someone here who has a particular model (with many of the characteristics described) who could give me his own first hand insight into his chosen optic...
Salesmen will tell you anything; Consumers and end-user are more likely to tell you the real story... which is what I am after.
How much are you willing to spend ?? Do you want Schott or Deon ED Glass ??
You mentioned "a bit more reach". So what power range do you think you need ??
I have no problem shooting to 1000 yards with one of my Bushnell 6-24x50 Elites.
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Fuj, maybe you could tell us about ED glass, and how much of it is actually used by (ALL) scope makers in the building of a scope.
Lean over bub and ill sell you one with the very best glass. lol
Couple of years ago it really jacked up the prices of good scopes. It's fairly
common now. Some glass is just as good as the claimed ED glass. I have
a NF 15-55x52 Comp with claimed ED glass, and my Bushy's are right there
with it. Picked up a Burris 8-40x50 F-Class scope to put on my testing rifle.
For $850 the glass is also right up there.
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
That's what I bought!!! 815 on sale at Midway!!! Just about perfect on paper.... lets see next week when it arrives.
I've had mine on a RRA 5.56 speed steel rig since they were
released. Still on the same rifle but looking down a second
barrel. Model ET6245F 6-24x50mm FFP Mil (illuminated). Your
pricing is excellent. Back then I had to give $1250, and that
was street.
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
And don't forget March !!
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
You say a bit more reach. What distance do you think your going to be shooting at?
1k is a long way. 1200 is a really long way.
1400 is wow.
I know you tube has vids of the 2 mile king etc. but that’s spraying and praying work.
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I don't see myself ever shooting out to 1000 meters (1100 yards), but I would love to be able to so if needed; But realistically probably no further than 500 meters ( 550 yards).
I am not a hunter just a target shooter and collector... however I do want to be able to effectively dispatch "Blamtifa Zombies" from a distance if they come around to mess with my neighborhood...
Like I told you on the phone, the Bushnell DMR II is one of the best bang for the buck scopes that you'll find right now.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020586712?pid=144123
Other than that, you're looking at scopes that will cost twice the price and more.
Athlon Cronus BTR
Delta Stryker HD
Sightron SIII
Tract Toric HD
Nightforce
S&B
Kahles
Minox
Leica
And others.
I still have that one in mind very much in mind... just taking on last look around before I pull the trigger.
Let me add Trijicon to that list. The AccuPower Is as rugged as they get,though
heavy and a 34mm body. Which brings up another point. Before pulling the trigger,
make sure you have the mounts and rings figured out first.
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
All the more reason to just use one of your existing scopes.
At least till you get some experience with the gun and determine you want something else.
I almost tend to agree... BUT as much as I love my "fleet" of 10X SWFAs, I am ready to get something with at least an illuminated reticule even if in the same power range. None of my present scopes have that and I am ready for a little upgrade.
Thanks!!!
[QUOTE=hamiltonkiler;487367]You say a bit more reach. What distance do you think your going to be shooting at?
1k is a long way. 1200 is a really long way.
1400 is wow.
I know you tube has vids of the 2 mile king etc. but that’s spraying and praying work.
On the right day, meaning zero wind, you might be surprised how far you can hit things with a 22 mag.
But then take a 30/06 rifle with a 180 gr bullet loaded to the standard level of velocity and zeroed for 100 yards.
Take a 4’ square pc of plywood and prop it up at 400 yards, and put a target at the middle of it.
Shoot 3 shots at the target, then go see where your bullets hit. or didnt. lol
With the right conditions, and enough elevation adjustment in the scope, seemingly impossible shots might become possible.
But dont be betting what you cant afford to lose that it will happen.
[QUOTE=yobuck;487384]The farthest I have ever shot is 386 yards on my property. But there is a range 20 minutes West of me and they have a 1000 yard range (about 900 meters - not quite 1 K). Never shot there but I have decided to go at least once now that I am retired and have the time. I have a 50 BMG that has never been properly pushed out close to its limits... I have a fixed SWFA 16x on it....
Sell that turkey Gene, and use the money to buy something worth having.
You just cant impress things to death, it takes actually hitting them in order to accomplish that.
And you wont be hitting much with that thing.
Buck,
Are you talking about the bolt action 50 cal Barrett M99 with a huge 32 inch barrel? Cause that thing is reputed to be THE MOST ACCURATE 50 cal rifle in the world!!!!!
But if you mean the cheap 16x SWFA scope... Again, its not fancy but the tracking is solid and quite up to Mil Specs (which I know often doesn't mean much but its better than chinese...
But indeed that scope was temporary ( in fact they all are and get replaced as soon as better optics come around ).
But I have also been seriously thinking about selling my Barrett. I have had it for 13 years and fired fewer than 150 rounds through it. If I sold it I could buy a couple top tier scopes with that money and free up a lot of room in my gun safe. And I still have about another 150 rounds that at this rate I will never shoot, clean once-fired brass, dies... everything including the mil spec type Pelican case. If I make up my mind, I will post it here in the proper section.
[QUOTE=yobuck;487384]
Anyone that has good shooting techniques, and shoots a cartridge with enough velocity & correct bullet type can easily shoot at long ranges. If you use any of the many Ballistic programs that are available, and learn to read wind conditions, shooting long range is no different than shooting groups at 100 yards.
It's not that hard if you know what it takes to do it, reading the wind is the biggest learning curve.
You may think the guy's shooting at KO 2 miles are spraying and praying, but there are so many environmental conditions to over come between the shooter and the target.
The farthest that I shoot is 1793 yards, depending on the changing wind conditions between the shooter and the target from the moment you pull the trigger until the bullet reaches the distance, what should be a perfect shot, becomes a 1-2 ft miss.
This is the 2k yard range that I shoot at-
[QUOTE=Txhillbilly;487391]
Anyone that has good shooting techniques, and shoots a cartridge with enough velocity & correct bullet type can easily shoot at long ranges. If you use any of the many Ballistic programs that are available, and learn to read wind conditions, shooting long range is no different than shooting groups at 100 yards.
It's not that hard if you know what it takes to do it, reading the wind is the biggest learning curve.
You may think the guy's shooting at KO 2 miles are spraying and praying, but there are so many environmental conditions to over come between the shooter and the target.
The farthest that I shoot is 1793 yards, depending on the changing wind conditions between the shooter and the target from the moment you pull the trigger until the bullet reaches the distance, what should be a perfect shot, becomes a 1-2 ft miss.
This is the 2k yard range that I shoot at-
Tex, Is this that place out in Cresson that has now been closed down?
There is a place 20 minutes west of me called TAC PRO. It has a 1000 yard range but I have never actually shot there... yet. Sounds like a good place for us to go and maybe you can show me how its done since I have never shot further than the 381 yards ( 350 meters ) on my place.
By the way, I have a Barrett M99 50 BMG that has never had its legs stretched out either.... sounds like we need to make that happen now that the good weather is almost here.
I have shot to 1000 with my 10 and 12 power SWFA SS's and they did ok.
I have shot to 1000 with my Burris XTR2's, the 3-15, 4-20 and 5-25's all did great and are a significant step up from the SWFA's, better glass, better reticles and just as reliable tracking as the swfa's. i got them for $620, $700, $720 and $800. This scope is built like a tank and if you love SWFA's, then this is right up your alley. For the price i just love them. The down side, the early ones are not known for their glass and i have one old one that is not great. I also have one that is pretty good and two that have excellent glass. Generally the real optical snobs think that only the 4-20 is great glass, but one of my 3-15's ranks right up there with the 4-20 i have. I HIGHLY recommend this scope! These were built in the Phillippines.
I have also shot to 1000 with my Steiner P4Xi, same great tracking that other burris/steiner products have, but by far better glass than the XTR2's... if the turrets weren't so stiff it would be a slam dunk when i got it on sale for $750. It really has spectacular glass, a lighted SCR reticle, zero stop and a revolution indicator for when you are dialing past 10 MIL. I like it a lot even with the stiff turrets. This is built right here in the good ole USA in Colorado, so there is that.
I have gone to 800 with my Burris Veracity, and Athalon Ares BTR Gen1 with the gen 2 turrets I got them from expertvoice and am not supposed to disclose the discounted price, but they were both pretty good for the money. The Burris Veracity (have 3 of them) is my favorite hunting scope and very nice optional "Mad Knob" turrets, but once the zero stop is set you are limited to one revolution of the turret (25 MOA) and they only come in MOA scopes. But the E1 FFP reticle is a genius design and you can see it at low power 30 minutes after sunset (a feat that is hard to match with a non lighted FFP reticle) it uses a progressively thick reticle design, i believe it is patented and why you just don't see it on other brands. The athalon Ares BTR is just a really nice well thought out ffp target scope. I have a very late gen 1 that was made with the gen 2 turrets and they are nice turrets, but don't really hold a candle to the Burris XTR2 turrets. The glass is respectable and it is about as good as my better XTR2 glass and i really like the reticle a WHOLE LOT! Overall i really can't recommend the Veracity or the Athalon Ares BTR over the Burris XTR2 if you are looking for a target scope. Honestly i am not sure where either is built, but i want to say the veracity might be phillipines and the Ares BTR might be China.
I have shot out to 1473 yards with my Zeiss V4 Conquest 4-16x44. on my 300 WSM Savage Ultralite It shot a nice 4 shot group about a MOA, but i never measured. It has nice turrets, good glass but not spectacular like the Steiner. It is a second focal plane scope, and i generally am not a fan of second focal plane scopes. It has a ZBR2 reticle, so it is a nice Christmas tree reticle. This scope does everything well, but IMO it doesn't do anything spectacular. I also got this from expertvoice so i can't discuss price, but i have seen them around $800 pretty often. it is a very alright scope. I have shot this combo out farther than any other gun i own, but that is due to not being able to shoot some of my better guns at that distance... because i am sure i can.
I just picked up a Bushnell BMR2 from Midway for $720 and i haven't actually shot the rifle it is on yet, but it seems to have pretty nice glass and was made in the LOW factory in Japan and everything i have read tells me that this is a very low risk buy. The G3 is a super nice reticle and it has a great feeling turret (maybe not as good of feeling turret as the XTR2, but still pretty dang nice) I was thinking about getting one with the illuminated G3 reticle for $820 after i saw how nice the non-illuminated one is.
I have shot out to 1473 with my brothers gun that has a Kahles... not sure on model, but it is better than any scope i have. great reticle, turrets, nice and clear (not as clear as his steiner t5xi, but that is a fantastic scope too). It is honestly hard not to recommend a Steiner t5xi, Kahles, Revic... etc it all depends on what you need but they are all over $2k.
[QUOTE=geneackley;487394]Yes, That is at Triple C Tactical. Hopefully, He will get the issue worked out that he has with the other property owned by a Trust.
I've shot at Tac Pro years ago, but there's another 1200 yard range - ETTS, that's about 45 minutes south of me that I'll probably join since Triple C is closed.
I'm always game for shooting long range!
I’ve shot to 1200 with a NF nxs 3.5-15
I kept the scope on 10x
With a 300mag it was spray and pray work on a silhouette target.
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