I remarked in a previous thread that the Sierra 69 and 77 grain Match Kings shot very well in the Axis but the 68 grain Hornady didn't. I tried them in another rifle just now and they were horrible. They were way over an inch, one group nearly 1 3/4". On the last group I noticed one hole was definitely longer than the others. Is this what some refer to as keyholing? I always look for operator error when my groups are not what I expect but this same gun yesterday had groups of just slightly over 1/2", slightly less than .4" and one group slightly more than 1/4" with the 69 grain Sierra Match King. I think it is pointless to continue. The remaining unfired rounds I will break down, saving at least the powder and the impossible to buy primers. I believe Charlie B said he didn't have any luck with them and he mentioned another guy as well that had poor results with them.