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    do we have a forum for current single shot cf rifles


    i am looking at building a 308 win on a 12 single shot savage receiver.
    where might we discuss such a project
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    right here mike
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    OK this is to be an "accurate" rifle. but not a bench rest rifle
    308 win 175 smk's or lapua 185's, lapua brass
    something UNDER 1 moa out to 800 yards, 1/2 moa would be great but not required.
    who has a 308 win single shoot that is a shooter...SINGLE SHOT TARGET ACTIONS ONLY.
    WHAT BBL
    what stock
    the action and accutrigger are paid for as is a accustock...may or may not keep stock.
    would love to hear from some criterion shooters.

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    I set up my 12FV (small shank) as a single shot in 308 with a Shilen Select Match barrel in 10 twist. It would shoot off the shelf FGGM .308 168 gn and 175 gn ammo well under a minute at 200 yds. Handloads are even better, holes touching. The second .308 i built was on an 11 action, polished blue, and a stock Savage sporter barrel also polished blue. Came out beautiful and shot 175 gr Precision hunter ammo so well I didn't bother to do a hand load workup. It's my pig and deer gun. It's quite light, and kicks like a mule!
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    Mike, several of us have factory 12 varmint rifles in .308 that will do 1/2MOA on a regular basis. Mine does under MOA at 1000yd if I get the wind right. I shoot mine as a single shot, although that's not what you were asking :)

    I think a target action with criterion barrel will do much better. Will follow and see how yours does.

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    Factory Savage 308 FTR's shoot very good most of the time. Pillar and bed and it gets better. Put a Shilen or even a Criterion on it and they shoot great. But Mike, you are no amateur and this isn't close to being your first savage build. So what gives?
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    i have given up on mag fed savage rifles. they lack structure/bedding surface.
    so i have sold most of my savages, have two on their way out.
    and am looking at the singe shot actions.
    not an out right 'bench rifle" but a target rifle. more than hunting accuracy, a little less than br accuracy.
    i am looking at either a lilja or a krieger as a shouldered/no nut or "maybe" a criterion drop in.
    i will start with an accu trigger and an accu stock.
    i would like to do turned necks and lapua brass, maybe palma brass.
    1/2-1 moa out to 800 yards is the goal.
    this is the donor rifle( bbl is already sold)
    6 BR Savage Model 12 LRPV; Factory hvy SS 26" bbl w/1-12" T <300 rnds; Factory syn stock w/g-bedding over bedding block, Black; Factory Accu 1½ lb trig

    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    Factory Savage 308 FTR's shoot very good most of the time. Pillar and bed and it gets better. Put a Shilen or even a Criterion on it and they shoot great. But Mike, you are no amateur and this isn't close to being your first savage build. So what gives?

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    For 800yd why not just use the 6BR? It should be accurate enough as is. I understand if it isn't. I also understand wanting a .308 as it is one of my favorite cartridges (and qualifies for F/TR).

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    you have not seen my stock piles of 308 supplies!,
    and i have a 6br, but limited supplies( plus a 30 br, 6 dasher).
    maybe 7-8 308's 3 ar10s, multiple bolts in 308......no single shots.

    or as they say
    "cause I want to!"

    (isnt ftr prone ?? i do not shoot prone...)
    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    For 800yd why not just use the 6BR? It should be accurate enough as is. I understand if it isn't. I also understand wanting a .308 as it is one of my favorite cartridges (and qualifies for F/TR).

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    Really doesn't matter which of the mid-tier barrel you run with.
    Shilen, Criterion, McGowen, Douglas, Pac-Nor, X-Caliber...take your pick. All similarly priced, all will deliver sub-moa accuracy.
    No difference in accuracy whether a shouldered, or nutted barrel. More about aesthetics, but that comes at a cost unless you're doing the lathe work yourself.

    As the saying goes, "pick a winner".

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobnpr View Post
    Really doesn't matter which of the mid-tier barrel you run with.
    Shilen, Criterion, McGowen, Douglas, Pac-Nor, X-Caliber...take your pick. All similarly priced, all will deliver sub-moa accuracy.
    No difference in accuracy whether a shouldered, or nutted barrel. More about aesthetics, but that comes at a cost unless you're doing the lathe work yourself.

    As the saying goes, "pick a winner".
    I tend to agree with this. When you step up to a cut rifle barrel consistency improves.

    Mike: F/TR is prone, as is F/Class.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    sorry but i disagree.
    i do chamber my own bbls
    no x caliber no mcgowen no shilien no douglas...
    lilja or kreiger, if i do a prefirt criterion
    i do not do "mid"
    your standards and mine are not the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by tobnpr View Post
    Really doesn't matter which of the mid-tier barrel you run with.
    Shilen, Criterion, McGowen, Douglas, Pac-Nor, X-Caliber...take your pick. All similarly priced, all will deliver sub-moa accuracy.
    No difference in accuracy whether a shouldered, or nutted barrel. More about aesthetics, but that comes at a cost unless you're doing the lathe work yourself.

    As the saying goes, "pick a winner".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinco View Post
    you have not seen my stock piles of 308 supplies!,
    and a i have a 6br, but limited supplies( plus a 30 br, 6 dasher).
    maybe 7-8 308's 3 ar10s, multiple bolts in 308......no single shots.

    or as they say
    "cause I want to!"

    (isnt ftr prone ?? i do not shoot prone...)
    Good a reason as any!!!!

    And no, I don't do prone either anymore :) IIRC there is a provision in some clubs for bench F/TR but not at the nationals, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinco View Post
    sorry but i disagree.
    i do chamber my own bbls
    no x caliber no mcgowen no shilien no douglas...
    lilja or kreiger, if i do a prefirt criterion
    i do not do "mid"
    your standards and mine are not the same.
    We're not in disagreement.
    I have no idea what you mean by us having "different standards".

    Your criteria was "something UNDER 1 moa out to 800 yards, 1/2 moa would be great but not required."

    So why would I have a customer spend the additional hundreds of dollars on a cut-rifled barrel, when they just told me the accuracy from a button-rifled barrel is more than adeqaute?

    I'm a bit puzzled as to why you even asked the question, given the depth of knowledge on the subject you say you have...

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    my first reply clearly says
    I DO NOT DO MID(tier quality bbls)
    which is why i said our standards differ.

    Quote Originally Posted by tobnpr View Post
    Really doesn't matter which of the mid-tier barrel you run with.
    Shilen, Criterion, McGowen, Douglas, Pac-Nor, X-Caliber...take your pick. All similarly priced, all will deliver sub-moa accuracy.
    No difference in accuracy whether a shouldered, or nutted barrel. More about aesthetics, but that comes at a cost unless you're doing the lathe work yourself.

    As the saying goes, "pick a winner".

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    tobnpr, Mike may be a barrel snob but for a reason. It is his money and his rifle. I do agree with you that his posted requirements are attainable with mid tier barrels. Your chances of getting a hummer with a cut rifled barrel may be a lot higher.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    If me, I'd go to the heavy 7mm side of the world but I understand
    your supply pile for .308's. I'm mainly a Single shot Savage shooter.
    I had such a huge supply for everything Creedmoor that had me
    doing the hard math of liquidating inventory, To feed my 7mm wild
    cat habit's. I shot The Creedmoor with Criterion barrels, and with
    no regrets, but it just got boring. My Brux 30" 7.5 twist, 4 groove
    barrel never seen the reamer.....Just made a trade to a Good friend
    and gunsmith that's building a 6.5 PRC. Barrel, boxes of Berger 144's
    150 Sierra's, and 140 RDF's. Effectively, my home supply chain is
    leaned more to the 7mm's, and Bartlein with a second Bartlein on the
    drawing board. One thing that is a constant though, it seems the
    Savage Target action get's layed on the bench first. I guess some
    things never change.
    Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952

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    what is the od of the savage target action ( LRPV action)

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    Same as the rest ...1.350".
    "As long as there's lead in the air....there's still hope.."

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    thanks..
    needed to know before ordering a bbl
    Quote Originally Posted by sharpshooter View Post
    Same as the rest ...1.350".

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    so i went with a LILJA MK13 MOD 7 bbl blank
    this is 1.25 dia, BREECH can finish at 26" at .8" MUZZLE, but i will be doing 24".
    basically in stock should be here soon.
    if i can find a min spec 308 reamer i will use that then use my 30 cal throater for 185 gr 2.82 COAL.

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    CRIRERION has a bbl that would work but i have never used them and did not feel like gambling.

    their mk118lr chamber is almost perfect for the 185( it is set up for the 175 smk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinco View Post
    CRIRERION has a bbl that would work but i have never used them and did not feel like gambling.

    their mk118lr chamber is almost perfect for the 185( it is set up for the 175 smk)
    I was the same way. I shot Shilen and got one that was not a real shooter.
    I wanted to be able to switch barrels quickly on one of my target actions.
    I went with a Criterion just to see. After about a month, I ordered another.
    Second barrel with the .264 140 RDF's had me under 1/2 MOA at 500 yards.
    Both barrels were 24" heavy varmint with 11 degree target crown. Criterion
    is a decent barrel. In the early days they were the button Kriegers, then
    moved to there own facilities.
    Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952

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    so the bbl shipped TODAY. will be here wednesday.
    so much for waiting for a bbl to show up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinco View Post
    so i went with a LILJA MK13 MOD 7 bbl blank
    this is 1.25 dia, BREECH can finish at 26" at .8" MUZZLE, but i will be doing 24".
    basically in stock should be here soon.
    if i can find a min spec 308 reamer i will use that then use my 30 cal throater for 185 gr 2.82 COAL.

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    What degree is your throater Mike? When I was setting up my chamber for the 185 Chad Dixon offered advice that I feel took it to another level of accuracy. I'm interested in your approach as my COAL was longer than 2.820.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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