lol it was me.
not so sure about that natural ability..i did tie a national record.
Originally Posted by Dave Hoback
for the record speedy is the guy that chambered my first 6ppc with the wrong reamer and left me blowing in the wind as he headed off to teach.
it was a dave kiff reamer and he got me the correct reamer even thi he was owed money by speedy. not a good picture.
Ya' gotta' love "Murphy's Law" I remember the days of Douglas and
Hart shoot outs. Shilen came along and seemed new history was in all
the shooting rags. Which reminds me.....Seems I will not get the chance
to do a Broughton. That button barrel was used to set some records !!
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
I belive shilens are still setting records
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maybe you could show us some bench rest records they have set RECENTLY.
they run a nice ad but it aint about bench rest.
i have a broughton on my 300 win mag 600/1000 yd rifle. shot very well but pretty much done now.
and no more to be had.
http://www.proshootingleague.com/res...quipment-list/
More shilens in this list than any other maker
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Alot of mullers also
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Yeah... kinda figured that, LOL. Like the ol’ “I have A FRIEND who would like to know....”
This reminds me of the nonsensical argument in the AR world of many who believe the Cold Hammer Forged barrels are somehow MORE accurate. So the pass along this notion among other ignorant shooters. I’ve watched this since the beginning of the AR “Build” phenomena. I was there from the beginning, and seen all the fads & ignorance. CHF barrels somehow being magically more accurate is prevalent today. I think back to the early 00’s when I started building AK47s. The Romanian kits I would pick up used CHF barrels.....They certainly WERE NOT! LOL!
As I mentioned with certain things... a “special NEW(not really) material or super-dee-duper new rifling technique WON’T make a magical shooting barrel with other worldly ability!
Yes, I do believe that our known top level barrels DO have a “good, better, best” hierarchy if you will. And personally I believe Bartlein to be the top! That said, people like me will NEVER see the difference! And by people like me, I mean pretty much everyone here. (If you have to post in a public Forum about how good..or national level you are, well then...uh..cudos! But I believe in a certain gifted few who simply have something that none of US can learn! So sure, sure.... take Shilen, Criterion, Krieger, Benchmark, Bartlein, Douglas, McGowen, etc., etc. & etc...there’s some difference in accuracy quality, perhaps to some very gifted few who are able to compete scores differing in THOUSANDTHS of an inch! But I’ll never see it.
Going with what I previously said about barrel makers using virtually the same steel, machinery, techniques & tools.... well, have you ever stopped to consider that the prices among barrel makers are virtually the same? Look at blanks from Bartlein, Krieger, Shilen, etc. very, very close in price.
Had a good A&B barrel once.
there s a RIM FIRE FORUM...this ain't it
nice try 22 RIMFIRE!!!!!!
sorry but that is not bench rest, but a money game pit together by people that could not win in br.
i'll pass on the list.
Someone PLEASE find the absolute best BR barrel for mikeinco!
He's about to blow a gasket from the frustration of everyone telling him what the second-best barrel is!
Who knew it would be such a difficult question to answer?
LOL. Yeah. I think old OP Red figured that out fast. He hit the door in late August and ain't been back since.Who knew it would be such a difficult question to answer?
Maybe the PB got to him.
if you look I POSTED A LIST. and i just challenge posters of lists not supporting the original question.
the last guy posted 2018 RIMFIRE bbl makers.
i have an answer.
its people trying to justify their choices that are mudding the waters.
2nd tier/mid tier are fine for lots of application.
THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS IT?
Inquiring minds want to know!
nost of the inquiring minds know how to READ.
POST 32
"so i went to the equipment list to a state br match from last year of the top 13 shooters
1 bartlien ( number 1)
10 kriegers
1 shilien
1 wiliams
is that a clue ?"
Ol' Robin Ardoin sent me an equipment list from one of the F-class
nationals held in Arizona. I was mainly interested to see who was
shooting Savage target actions, and there were several doing well.
Brux was at the top of the heap and the most used for that meet.
Now going at the same time, The PRS boys had Bartlein at the top
of the heap and most used.....Go figure !! So my advice would be
to buy any one of the "Killer B's" and get the one with the shortest
lead time if "Bug Holes" does not have one in stock.
Keeping my bad Karma intact since 1952
the x ring at 600 yards on an f class target is SEVEN TIMES THE AREA of the x ring on a 600 yard benchrest target.
not answering the original question.
"
Highest quality aftermarket Savage replacement barrels"
lets put it this way
a 1 moa rifle is a great rifle for hunting, a terrible benchrest rifle
a 1/2 moa rifle is a great f class rifle, a terrible benchrest rifle
so lots of very good bbls but only the very best win in benchrest.
when looking for the best bbls, look at benchrest
centerfire benchrest
i am building a 308 dun trget rifle, not a benchrest rifle.
i choose lilja, not big in benchrest but well known in the accuracy world.
define your task, pick your parts
There's alot more that needs to be known besides the barrel. 1)actions 2)triggers 3)brass.(believe it or not there are br shooters that shoot.3rd party ammo.. ) there is a 4 shot group at 120 meters. One shot intentionally off to test the accuracy of the mil dots. That rifle was built by me using shilen barrel, savage target action , precision ground lug all from nss and a Choate stock, vortex optics.. all in all under 2 grand, 43.2 gr w748 , 175 smk.
I was supposed to start MR mastery this year but stuff happened.. maybe I'm ignorant but I think that rifle has the ability to compete with the best if I can
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right ted
but that was not the question
neither was what is a good enough bbl for xxx competition or hunting.
( that would be a good question for most savage shooters IMHO)
"highest quality...." was the question
There's alot more that needs to be known besides the barrel. 1)actions 2)triggers 3)brass.(believe it or not there are br shooters that shoot.3rd party ammo.. ) there is a 4 shot group at 120 meters. One shot intentionally off to test the accuracy of the mil dots. That rifle was built by me using shilen barrel, savage target action , precision ground lug all from nss and a Choate stock, vortex optics.. all in all under 2 grand, 43.2 gr w748 , 175 smk.
I was supposed to start MR mastery this year but stuff happened.. maybe I'm ignorant but I think that rifle has the ability to compete with the best if I can
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Yeah, I get that and I guess in a round about way i was saying shilen has been extremely accurate and consistent for me but I would have to say criterion has also.. ive used both of them on savage and ARs and have been tickled pink.. I gotta be honest though, I have never tried bartlien or some of the other top names so I cant really say x is better than y.. all I can say with certainty is x performed excellent.
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How do you know that they are people that "could not win in br."
That's good enough for you - State level? So whatever barrel was the winner at that competition is the best?
Writing in complete sentences with proper punctuation and correct spelling is always helpful.
Not everyone is as smart as you.
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