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    I have been doing some research on the Savage 110 high country and I saw another forum about a guy having a terrible time with poor quality machining. Has anyone else noticed that Savage doesn't do a good job of machining/maintaining tolerances on their rifles? This isn't exactly a cheap rifle at over $1100 for that lack of quality.

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    if that guy is the one that is on his 3rd rifle because he kept sending them back... well i just don't believe him.

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    Every Savage I've ever owned go out shoot anybody can shoot it. You find a ride ammo you got sub Moa at any distance

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    I've seen many savage barrels that have tool/chatter marks but still hold 1moa or better and they just get better as you shoot them out

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    Savages are not immune to issues. Not a problem for me though because every one I see goes through a rebuild with only a few exceptions.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    I don't know what some people think is bad machine work.

    I have a not inexpensive 12BVSS. I have not found any rough spots on it yet. It is matte stainless so minor issues don't really show up. The bolt can still be jammed when trying to rush a reload. Some of the edges are not stoned smooth (I would not expect a lot of hand work on a rifle at this price range). Machining is consistent and as accurate as I need.

    The bore was the only rough spot (.308). Took quite a bit of work to get it to shoot anywhere near 1/2MOA but 1MOA was fairly easy to get to.

    If I had it to do over again I would have done an exhaustive break in. Since I did not I ended up using some Iosso paste to smooth out the rough spots a bit. It is still a copper mine so I clean it every time I shoot it. It also does not like to be hot. Now days I shoot cast in it. Still just a bit less than MOA with cast bullets.

    The real problem with most production rifles (even at these prices) is you may or may not get a great barrel, or a bad barrel. Depending on the model, Savage may replace one that does not shoot well.

    The good thing is most Savages will shoot better than MOA with some doing less than 1/2MOA. Keep in mind that in this range of accuracy the shooter can be a big part of the problem/solution.

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    12BVSS is cheap huh? Stainless action, heavy barrel and an expensive laminate stock. What did you give for that?
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    12BVSS is cheap huh? Stainless action, heavy barrel and an expensive laminate stock. What did you give for that?
    My old 12 FLVSS was pretty cheap,I paid $350 for it. Yes,It was used,but barely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    Savages are not immune to issues. Not a problem for me though because every one I see goes through a rebuild with only a few exceptions.
    I think alot of people expect shilen select or criterion bore finish and thats just not realistic on a mass produced firearm

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    I said 'not inexpensive'. :) But, not the most expensive. New it was under $1000 by a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Txhillbilly View Post
    My old 12 FLVSS was pretty cheap,I paid $350 for it. Yes,It was used,but barely.
    Thats not a BVSS but still a great price
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    I said 'not inexpensive'. :) But, not the most expensive. New it was under $1000 by a little bit.
    Thats what I was thinking. I paid just a little under that. I wish I had never split that rifle up
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    I saw another forum about a guy having a terrible time with poor quality machining.
    I think some of these "guys" have a terrible time just living. Hell just buy something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    Thats not a BVSS but still a great price
    That's true,But I did put a laminate stock on it so it's basically the same rifle. Only the LH actions don't come in Stainless. It also has a SSS Competition trigger in it that the guy gave me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wbm View Post
    I think some of these "guys" have a terrible time just living. Hell just buy something else.
    I agree, I feel sorry for their wives....all of the expectations and nothing in return.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    I hear ya. There is one on another forum "BEWARE USPS"...he had a delayed shipment and it was like Santa died at his house. Just page after page of p...and moan.

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    Yep, some people need to complain....a lot.

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    I own 2 savages. Recently picked up a 10T-SR in 6.5 creedmoor. Right out of box the rifle has a bad extractor. The rifle will not load from mag. Bolt rides over shell and will not strip one to chamber. But shoots 1/4 MOA at 100. I can fix the problems just frustrating. My other two are 100% and great shooters

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    Yep, some people need to complain....a lot.
    Sounds like my brother. I refuse to go out to eat with him and his wife cause they go looking for something to ***** about.
    The same with guns. He had a full custom 1911 and he nit picked it to death.





    I have a Savage Axis 22-250 that I bought for less than $200 used. It shoots sub 1/2moa at any distance. It is not the most refined rifle but it works, extremely well.

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    I just wish I still had my factory barrel. Much better than the Shilen super duper replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fotheringill View Post
    I just wish I still had my factory barrel. Much better than the Shilen super duper replacement.
    Never seen a factory savage barrel even close to shilen quality and accuracy

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    I have only had one. Ordered a 1-8 Twist 243 Shilen years ago and it just was not nearly as accurate as the factory barrel was....But I realize that is the exception and not the rule. I would definitely buy another Shilen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    I don't know what some people think is bad machine work.

    I have a not inexpensive 12BVSS. I have not found any rough spots on it yet. It is matte stainless so minor issues don't really show up. The bolt can still be jammed when trying to rush a reload. Some of the edges are not stoned smooth (I would not expect a lot of hand work on a rifle at this price range). Machining is consistent and as accurate as I need.

    The bore was the only rough spot (.308). Took quite a bit of work to get it to shoot anywhere near 1/2MOA but 1MOA was fairly easy to get to.

    If I had it to do over again I would have done an exhaustive break in. Since I did not I ended up using some Iosso paste to smooth out the rough spots a bit. It is still a copper mine so I clean it every time I shoot it. It also does not like to be hot. Now days I shoot cast in it. Still just a bit less than MOA with cast bullets.

    The real problem with most production rifles (even at these prices) is you may or may not get a great barrel, or a bad barrel. Depending on the model, Savage may replace one that does not shoot well.

    The good thing is most Savages will shoot better than MOA with some doing less than 1/2MOA. Keep in mind that in this range of accuracy the shooter can be a big part of the problem/solution.
    What specifically would you do for break-in?

    Thanks.

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    Probably something like this, from Savage FAQ

    https://service.savagearms.com/hc/en...-in-procedure-

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