Reply With QuoteEither will likely do that no issue. I’m almost there with a basic er shaw barrel and a lot of factory barrels can do it. I would probably go with the cheaper of the two
How do I make the decision between the 2. It is clear that a Shilen from NSS would be quicker and cheaper. Kreiger would take longer and cost about $100 more.
So, how do I choose? Just looking to get better than 1/2” groups at 100 yds with long range hunting bullets like Nosler Accubond LR.
Either will likely do that no issue. I’m almost there with a basic er shaw barrel and a lot of factory barrels can do it. I would probably go with the cheaper of the two
Have you considered the CBI from NSS? they were the OEM manufacturer for Krieger just a few years ago (might still be). It's every bit as accurate as a Shilen Select Match (maybe better)and in the same ball park regarding cost.
.5 MOA is pretty good... To get it below that, requires practice, practice, practice, and maybe more load development. How many powder/bullet combinations have you tried? Berger, Hornady, Sierra would be some other bullets I would try.
Good luck to you,
Pay your money and take your chances.
I only have experience with 2 different aftermarket barrels. My Shilen Select match and my proof Carbon are both 1/8 MOA.
yuo should be shooting bench rest matches with those not waiting them.
1/8 moa 5 shots at 100 or 200 or 600 ??
sorry but i do not buy it.
i shot a 600 yard match on sunday. the winning BENCHREST RIFLE AVERAGED 0.441 MOA FOR THREE 5 SHOT TARGETS AT 600.
and your shoots 0.125 ??
Originally Posted by want2ride
spend you money and take your chances.
i buy krieger for most of my rifles.
lilja hart broughton all work well.
1/2" aint hard. staying below is.
the chambering is just as important , is not more, than who made the bbl
I bet you could never tell a difference between the two on paper. Both will shoot extremely well and when you start talking about groups like that its the little things in the reloading process that will make the most difference. a bullet change, powder change or primer change can make huge differences on group sizes.
go look at posted results in any type of rifle shooting and see how many are using any specific
brand.. look what winners and competitors are using verses internet opinions.
Well, I see Barlein, Kreiger and Rock Creek in the winners circle. I ended up with a Rock Creek. I can’t wait!
The World record at 600 yards is by Bart Sauter and it is .611,Do Not know where you dreamed up .441
Bart set a 600yd IBS Light Gun World Record last year at .311”.
On April 21, ‘19, Bart shot a .282” ... 50 score, at 600yds, shooting his Light Gun in Heavy Gun class.
BE AMAZED!
Correction...this group was shot 2018. Apparently it takes a while for records to be certified. Lots of numbers for a small mind to keep up with
maybe you should go with a reading comprehension class.
GO READ WHAT I SAID.
(BARTS SMALL SINGLE TARGET IS 0.3 after the scoring committee ruled, i 'll look for his 3 target 600 record.)
do not know what record you speak od since you did not qualify your comment.
ibs ? nbrsa ? one target, 3 targets 4 6 targets. 10 targets ??
here is IBS SMALL LIGHT GUN SINGLE TARGET groups fpr 2019 up to the nationals.
LG Top 10! Smallest Group!
Bart Sauter 0.566
Tim Barber 0.591
Chris Nichols 0.765
Andy Ferguson 0.798
Mike McBride 0.852
David Huffman 0.865
Chris Nichols 0.883
John Ross 0.906
Mike McBride 0.928
Gabe Matheny 0.933
Kinda surprised that I haven’t seen Douglas mentioned?
you should think hard about what you just said.
there is a reason.
not all bbl makers have kept up with modern times.
good bbls are available form lots of sources
great bbls come from fewer places.
Ok...I’ve been extremely happy with all of my Douglas bbls.
I've used almost every brand of custom brand barrel's over the years,they all have shot fantastic once you find the perfect combination of powder/bullet for them.
when you move from
HUNTING
to
TARGET
to
COMPETITION
there is a difference
noticeable in the average bbl swap savage build,
probably not.
Better yet, buy both!Pay your money and take your chances.
I had 2 Shilen. Both shot extremely well. 1st one was a prefit. 2nd had done elsewhere. They asked me about the blank as it seemed to be really soft for a SS blank. And also years ago it was known that Shilens shot out faster than others.
I know Krieger sources US barrel steel. Not sure about the others.
I got a Krieger barrel and a Bartlein barrel from Compass Lake last summer and built two AR uppers. They were both 20" varmint .223 barrels.
The best 5 shot group at 100 yards with the Krieger I was able to get so far was this one using Berger 77 OTM bullets:
Best 5 shots at 100 yards with the Bartlein so far with Berger 77 OTM bullets:
Just recently got a Shilen 1 in 7 .223 bull barrel and Savage target action from NSS. I got tired of waiting for a 1 in 12 .223 Shilen and 1 in 14 twist .222 Shilen so I got the 1 in 7 since NSS had it in stock. This is my first center fire bolt gun and it seems easier to shoot small groups than the ARs. This barrel has been pretty accurate. I hope the two Shilen barrels I have on order are even more accurate. Best 5 shot group so far at 100 yards with Berger 77 OTM bullets:
Very impressive!
You've obviously got your bench technique perfected to get groups like those.
What is the set-up (bipod, bags, etc) used for your testing?
Thanks.
Just to mix things up a bit, X-Caliber is having a 25% off sale through December 31st. I just ordered a new bull barrel in 6.5 CM. Got about a thousand pieces of once fired Hornaday brass and lot's o bullets, and a model 12 small shank action with Target Accutrigger, so all I need now is a new stock. Might order a Richards Microfit, and maybe get it all put together by Spring.
Banning a gun will not solve what is a mental health crisis inflamed by incendiary rhetoric on social and television media. The first amendment in this case is less precious and more likely the causal factor than the second amendment.
The Shilen has sure shot well for me in a 7RM that I built on a Manners. Capable of 1/2 MOA with some work. Never shot a Krieger though, but I'm sure their reputation precedes them.
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