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    I've tried some local hardware stores and can't come up with a 9/64" steel ball! I guess I can scour the bike shops next!

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    Here. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9%2F64+steel+ball&ref=is_s

    You can also use 3.5mm which is less than .004” of the .140” 9/64. I use a 3.5mm Silicon Nitride ball. Much harder than steel and almost indestructible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    Here. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9%2F64+steel+ball&ref=is_s

    You can also use 3.5mm which is less than .004” of the .140” 9/64. I use a 3.5mm Silicon Nitride ball. Much harder than steel and almost indestructible.
    Dave,
    Where can I get one of those 3.5mm silicon nitride balls?

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    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    LOL! Rob....too funny brother!! LOL!

    I got this Shuz. https://www.amazon.com/3-5-CERAMIC-B...-1-spons&psc=1

    But you may want to grab a few “just in case”. Pretty easy to lose it. They are sold in packets of 10 for just a couple dollars more. I was certain I would not lose it so only got one. But I have done this many times.

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    I found packs of 100 on fleabay. I may do that so you guys that let your balls roll off can PM me for a replacement.
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    Would one of you folks be willing to send me 5 of those balls for $5.00?

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    You can’t order it from the link I gave you? It’s Amazon. Who doesn’t use Amazon??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    You can’t order it from the link I gave you? It’s Amazon. Who doesn’t use Amazon??
    Oops! I guess i missed that link! I just didn't wanna havta buy 100/ea as i saw on one link.
    Thanks for the heads up! I'm now worried about where my head might reside!

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    Lol... hey, I resemble that remark! Hahaha.

    Shuz, this is the link for 10 of the 3.5mm ceramic. https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Cerami...gateway&sr=8-3

    And this is 10 of the SS 9/64”. https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Precis...-1-spons&psc=1

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    May want to work with the bolt head in a see thru plastic bag, them little balls sure do like to fly around.

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    ^ yep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    I feel as though I am being given waaaayyyyy to much credit. But thanks Dave.
    Better than not enough lol:)

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    short round-

    Not a maybe at all. I learned the lesson the hard way on another rifle a while ago. Especially if you have a dog around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fotheringill View Post
    short round-

    Not a maybe at all. I learned the lesson the hard way on another rifle a while ago. Especially if you have a dog around.
    I've been teaching my 5yr old daughter how to put the detent springs, pins and take downs on AR builds and she thinks it's hilarious to see them fly across the shop.. smh.. but shes learning lol:)

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    BTW

    McmASter Carr or Fastenal. You might pay more for shipping that the product and their minimum count is more than you need.

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    I had my wife order me some of the steel balls from Amazon. supposed to be here today! ThANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!

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    LOL... ONE of those Si3N4 BB’s I use IS MORE than one needs!

    Just shy the hardness of CBN & diamond, a Silicon Nitride BB is not likely to wear out in SEVERAL lifetimes! But yes....one slip and “KERR-Pling”! By-by ball bearing! LOL.

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    If you look at the function of the ball in the system, I don't think anything harder that 30 Rc is needed. 52100 bearing steel is much harder than that at 64 +or- 3 Rc.
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    Yes, you are correct Robin. My intention was light hearted humor..., not actually insinuating that near diamond hardness is needed for ANYTHING on a firearm!

    Coming from a firearms background and THEN learning custom knife-making later, it’s been easy to see the stark differences in metallurgy between the two. But I have come across a few ONLY involved in knife making...and then learning the metallurgy characteristics surrounding firearms. Most every part on a firearm seems ’bout soft as lead when compared to knife steel! LOL. And dealing with the likes of 4140/50, 8620, 416R, 9310 etc., to the world of High Speed, High Alloy, stainless steels with more Carbon than MOST Carbon Steels & Powder Metals or Particle Metallurgy, can be QUITE an eye opener. Fascinating material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Hoback View Post
    Yes, you are correct Robin. My intention was light hearted humor..., not actually insinuating that near diamond hardness is needed for ANYTHING on a firearm!

    Coming from a firearms background and THEN learning custom knife-making later, it’s been easy to see the stark differences in metallurgy between the two. But I have come across a few ONLY involved in knife making...and then learning the metallurgy characteristics surrounding firearms. Most every part on a firearm seems ’bout soft as lead when compared to knife steel! LOL. And dealing with the likes of 4140/50, 8620, 416R, 9310 etc., to the world of High Speed, High Alloy, stainless steels with more Carbon than MOST Carbon Steels & Powder Metals or Particle Metallurgy, can be QUITE an eye opener. Fascinating material.
    Its all in the mix of elements and heat treat. I didn't know you worked on guns and knives!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    Its all in the mix of elements and heat treat. I didn't know you worked on guns and knives!
    That is exactly it Robin.

    Yes..I’ve worked with firearms most of my life now.. I started knifemaking about 7 years ago.., before my accident. But it became something more within the last 5 years. Although I have a working knowledge of forging, all my knives are made via stock removal. I would love to be able to forge again, but it’s simply not possible with one arm/hand(for me). I’m sure someone, at sometime has done it, LOL!

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    Well, I replaced the stock 1/8" ball with a 9/64" ball and it didn't correct the problem. I suppose the problem now lies with the extractor piece itself. Perhaps it is not long enuf!?
    At a match today, 80 percent of the time when I opened the bolt to extract the fired cartridge, the spent cartridge just lays there in the action. It didn't seem to matter if I operated the bolt smartly or took my sweet old time.
    What do you all suggest I do next?

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