Reply With QuoteI usually use all 50 and clean thoroughly like the instructions say.
So I've got a 10Fp in .308 that copper fouls very bad. Ordered up the Final Finish and I'm getting ready to start loading them. Does everyone use all 50 bullets or just a few of each of the five different levels?
I usually use all 50 and clean thoroughly like the instructions say.
Just for grins measure your throat length now and after the 50 rounds - inquiring minds want to know.
I have the same rifle and caliber.
Only used the three finer grit and barrel came out real nice.
The last five shots of the treatment went into one hole at 100 yds.
It will now shoot the 175 SMK's lights out.
Good luck.
hello;
before you try the tubbs, may i suggest you try this home made device to remover copper. gave it a try and it works.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/...hesurplus2.pdf
also with minor copper fouling use some ammonia cleaner. do not use a bronze brush because the ammonia desolves the bronze. just a wet patch, let sit for 5 min. then dry patch to check on progress.
can't leave the ammonia sit in the barrel very long because it attacks the barrel steel. there are commerical copper removers that use ammonia and in their directions the fluid must be removed in 10 min. (?).
rp
I di a "half dose" of each grit on a roug as a cob 300WSM barrel and it seemed to work.
ELkbane
I'd only use the full treatment if your barrel is really rough (and that's a judgement call for you). On my 10FLP I only used the last three grades and my rifle is still a tack driver with +3000 rounds down the barrel. Even after a Tubbs treatment I could still seat out to the lands with magazine function (unlike my Remington 700 factory barrel) I still shoot a couple of Tubb's TMS bullets after every 100 rounds to maintain the throat. I'd sure love to put a Shilen on it but the factory barrel just won't quit!
A typical 5 shot 100 yard group.
[img width=600 height=274]http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/5shots100yards.jpg[/img]
If its shooting all over the place I will run all 50 through.
If I am just trying to smooth things out a bit, I shot half.
Thanks for the replies. I think that I'll go with a half dose.
Thankfully, it has a short throat as it is now. I'm expecting it to grow some.
It's not a new rifle, at least 1800 rounds down the barrel. It seems to be getting worse now and accuracy goes south in as few as 20-25 rounds. I can go from a clean barrel to needing a dozen patches with the Shooters Choice Copper Remover.
Thing of beautyOriginally Posted by pbcaster45
FWIW - during barrel break in of my 10FLCP I found it held copper and took way too many patches to clean. I gave it the J-B bore paste treatment and now it cleans up with 1/2 dozen patches and very little copper. I went this route, because the barrel gave early indications of being super accurate. I'm glad I did, because its a dandy!
The average newly made button rifled barrel look like the photo below.
Fire lapping will remove the high spots left by the chattering of the rifling button, the regiment of cleaning after every shot for five shots and then after every five shots is NOT going to remove the copper build up from a new button rifled firearm. I broke my new Stevens 200 in .243 this way and it was a waste of time, when I got home I let some foam bore cleaner soak over night and in the morning it looked like I had cleaned a frosted milsurp barrel with all the blue that came out of the barrel.
What fire lapping will do for a button rifled Savage barrel.
[img width=205 height=450]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/firelapping.jpg[/img]
With this Savage barrel fire lapping tightened up the groups from a 1 inch average to a 3/4 inch average and made the barrel much easier to clean.
NOTE: Half the bullets were used and the bore was inspected with a bore scope and then the other half of the fire lapping bullets were fired.
[img width=600 height=434]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/firelapping2.jpg[/img]
how did you go about doing this?
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I used FF on my Sendero 300 Ultra Mag. Holy Cow was I impressed! It was the first thing I did when I got the rifle.
First I got the rifle and cleaned it really good. (Just make sure you have no copper fouling in the barrel).
Then find the fastest poweder and the lightest charge when reloading.
I did all 50 in 1 afternoon and cleaned after every 5 shots.
The interior of the barrels is now shiny and smooth, cleans like my custom Broughton's
I took it out the next week and it shoots really good. Im running 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tips at 3750fps. It shot several 1 hole groups at 100 yards consistantly.
Next im going to try some 210gr Berger VLD's
I used the Final Finish bullets on my 25/06-All 50 bullets.
Before it would take days of cleaning to remove all the copper,now it takes just a few minutes. Before the Tubb's,it would only shoot 100gr bullets accurately,now it will shoot any weight of bullet great.
If your gun copper fouls bad,I'd use the entire set of Final Finish bullets.They do work.
It will take several days to shoot all of them,and thoroughly clean the bore after each set,but to me it was worth the time spent.
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForu...html#msg245264
I have used it on guns that foul badly and it does help. Check out my thread on a new fcp I did up a while back.
http://savageshooters.com/SavageForu...c,20879.0.html
I've used FF and the TMS on many different barrels, works as advertised. On a Savage FP10, I could make pennies form the copper, now, it cleans easily and is just as accurate. On my custom barrels I use a round or two of TMS every 200 rounds. With 1600 rounds down my 308, it is still as smooth as a new barrel, cleans very easily, no copper at all.
Many people are afraid of this product, but it works and extends accurate barrel life.
Tony
Longtrain
My results have been good each time I used it!
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