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    No wonder my CZ 17 HMR groups like crap


    One of my goals today - before my chronograph decided to act up - was to chrono three different types of 17 HMR ammo to see which was the most consistent. I had done this years ago when the 17 HMR was still very young (2004 or 2005) and at that time the limited ammo on the market (CCI TNT and Hornady V-Max) had an E.S. typically in the 50-60fps range.

    Let me tall ya...that sure isn't the case with today's 17 HMR ammo!

    My chrono took a poo while shooting today so I can't download the data from it at present, but reviewing the strings at the range as I was shooting them the Hornady 17gr V-Max ammo had and E.S. of over 120. The CCI 17gr TNT ammo was even worst with an E.S. topping 200. I wanted to chrono some CCI 17gr V-Max as well but that's where my chrono crapped out on me so I wasn't able to.

    Now I know why all my groups with this rifle are 1" plus at 100 yards lately - it's the ammo! Each shot I'd look at where it printed in relation to my POI and I could tell you immediately if it was fast, slow, or right in the middle where it should be around 2,550. The fast ones (2625 - 2650fps) would print an inch high, while the slowest ones (high 2400's) would print about 1/2 to 3/4" low.
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    Was able to get my load data off the Chrono manually (transcription), so here's the data for the 17 HMR ammo. Strings were shot 5-shots at a time then the barrel was allowed to cool for 5 minutes between mag changes.


    CZ 452 American 17 HMR - 20" Bbl.
    89-degrees; Clear & Sunny
    Light SW breeze 3-5mph

    CED Data Collector - 7/14/18

    String 1 17HMR 17gr Hornady V-Max

    1) 2548
    2) 2442
    3) 2504
    4) 2491
    5) 2500
    6) 2514
    7) 2469
    8) 2512
    9) 2513
    10) 2478
    11) 2476
    12) 2521
    13) 2502
    14) 2541
    15) 2546

    High: 2548
    Low: 2442
    E.S.: 106.0
    Ave: 2503
    S.D.: 28.8

    String 2 17 HMR 17gr Hornady V-Max

    1) 2526
    2) 2516
    3) 2566
    4) 2541
    5) 2489
    6) 2554
    7) 2541
    8) 2481
    9) 2607
    10) 2551
    11) 2559
    12) 2542
    13) 2544
    14) 2546
    15) 2531

    High: 2607
    Low: 2481
    E.S.: 126.0
    Ave: 2539
    S.D.: 29.2

    String 3 17 HMR 17gr Hornady V-Max

    1) 2644
    2) 2516
    3) 2559
    4) 2567
    5) 2566
    6) 2565
    7) 2543
    8) 2582
    9) 2554
    10) 2560
    11) 2557
    12) 2603
    13) 2573
    14) 2575
    15) 2556

    High: 2644
    Low: 2516
    E.S.: 128.0
    Ave: 2567
    S.D.: 27.6

    String 4 17 HMR 17gr CCI Speer TNT

    1) 2534
    2) 2446
    3) 2596
    4) 2628
    5) 2636
    6) 2626
    7) 2650
    8) 2581
    9) 2626
    10) 2489
    11) 2485
    12) 2627
    13) 2501
    14) 2638
    15) 2534

    High: 2650
    Low: 2446
    E.S.: 204.0
    Ave: 2577
    S.D.: 66.9

    String 5 17 HMR 17gr CCI Speer TNT

    1) 2654
    2) 2637
    3) 2673
    4) 2649
    5) 2655
    6) 2683
    7) 2686
    8) 2685
    9) 2658
    10) 2657
    11) 2673
    12) 2696
    13) 2493
    14) 2525
    15) 2669

    High: 2696
    Low: 2493
    E.S.: 203.0
    Ave: 2646
    S.D.: 56.4

    String 6 17 HMR 17gr CCI Speer TNT

    1) 2608
    2) 2611
    3) 2651
    4) 2647
    5) 2664
    6) 2642
    7) 2638
    8) 2659
    9) 2656
    10) 2636

    High: 2664
    Low: 2608
    E.S.: 56.0
    Ave: 2641
    S.D.: 18.2
    "Life' is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne
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urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.” —Mark Twain

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