What scope for $1500 to $2000

[XL105]

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[LoneWolf]

Unless shooting short range BR, maybe F-Class, or splitting playing cards with a 22. The only things by I see 1/8th turrets getting you is maybe a better Zero. More than likely at range you'll find yourself needing more than just a click... if I miss low or to the side of a target I always just hold the correct. Maybe if I was trying to shoot Silver Dollars at 1000, but then again by the time you see you he shot placement, reach up and adjust 1 click, the wind has already changed....


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[Phranque]

Bushnell Tactical Elite ERS... A lot of people look down their nose at these because it's "Bushnell", but their top end scopes are awesome for the money, and it's dead in your price range.

[Rob01]

Unless shooting short range BR, maybe F-Class, or splitting playing cards with a 22. The only things by I see 1/8th turrets getting you is maybe a better Zero. More than likely at range you'll find yourself needing more than just a click... if I miss low or to the side of a target I always just hold the correct. Maybe if I was trying to shoot Silver Dollars at 1000, but then again by the time you see you he shot placement, reach up and adjust 1 click, the wind has already changed....


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Exactly. 1/8 MOA aren't needed. At ELR a 1/2 mph wind change will move you more than that 1/8 MOA. It's something that sounds better in theory than in use.

As for the perfect zero, the Razor series and the AMG from Vortex have clickless zeroing so you can get a perfect zero without having to worry about 1/8 MOA clicks. The original 5-20x Razor has 125 MOA of elevation and plenty of power to shoot to 2500 yards and runs around $1699. The 3-18x Razor II can also be had for under $2000 and also has more than enough elevation adjustments.

[XL105]

Yobuck is a f in tard

[Sleeper99]

That has always annoyed me about leupold. You might want to look into the Burris XTR II 5-25x50. I has everything you are looking for, a few reticle options, you can have it in MOA or MIL matching turrets to reticle and be under budget. My .02

[yobuck]

It may be a better thought in my head then it would be in real world shooting


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That sums it up nicely for lots of things in the (real) world of shooting long distances. lol

[iflyskyhigh]

SWFA SS 5-20X50HD

https://swfa.com/catalog/product/vie...mm-riflescope/


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[Rich Coyle]

Bushnell Tactical Elite ERS... A lot of people look down their nose at these because it's "Bushnell", but their top end scopes are awesome for the money, and it's dead in your price range.

If the glass in the Bushnell Tacticals is as good as the glass in the 6500 4 1/2-30X50 you will be hard pressed to find something with better glass. Just yesterday I had a chance to compare my Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 with a Vortex Razor 5-25X50 outside the store. I found a sign with writing on it hundreds of yards away. I laid the Razor on a sandbag. It took a couple minutes of adjustments to read the words instead of making out a letter or two with it on 5X. No further adjustments helped. I switched to the 6500 with it set on 4 1/2X. Instantly I could read it with ease. So far the only scope to have better glass has been my Nightforce 12-42X56. I have owned three Bushnell 6500 2 1/2-16Xs, one Leupold VX-6 4-24X52, four Swarovski z5 5-25X52s, one Minox 5-25X56, one Nikon Monarch 3 5-20X44, one Weaver V24 6-24X, and probably others I don't remember at the moment. None, including the Bushenll 6500 2 1/2-16 have glass as clear as the 4 1/2-30X except the Nightforce. Also I have compared them with all sorts of brands at the range. All of them are good enough to see 6.5mm bullet holes on cardboard at 400 yards.

One day I had a Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50, a Leupold VX-6 4-24X52, a Minox 5-25X56, and a Swarovski z5 5-25X52 laying on sandbags aimed at a chart 127 yards away. I asked my son-in-law to look through them and tell me which one was best to him. He knelt down and looked through them for a few seconds and said, "This one," indicating the 6500. "No! I want you to adjust them to your eye and take a moment," I pleaded. He did. Then he reiterated, "Yep. It's this one," again indicating the 6500.

[Rob01]

The only problem is the OP is looking for an ELR scope. The scopes mentioned have limited internal elevation. The Bushnell 4.5-30 only has 50 MOA total. None will do what he wants. Rifle scopes aren't just telescopes. Yes clear glass is great but being able to see something a little better than with another and not being able to hit it as you can't dial up enough elevation doesn't do the job. The Razor has good glass and I know more than one person who uses it on ELR rifles to shoot a mile plus.

[bowfishn]

The Bushnell 4.5-30 scope I am looking at Elite Tactical LSR 4.5-30x50 has 35 inches up and the Elite Tactical XRS 4.5-30x50 has 30 Mils up (108 inches) the XRS model is more in line with the OPs price range. The LSR is a SFP and is much less money, but with a 20 moa base it will get me to 1600 yards not counting the mil dots on the Reticle.

[Rob01]

The Elite tactical XRS is a different animal than the others mentioned. It does have more internal and could be used as an ELR scope.

The LRS is 35 inches up? You mean MOA? If so that is not a lot. The Razor has 125 MOA of total elevation. A .308 can take 32-42 MOA to get to 1000. What caliber you shooting?

I just checked and the LRS has 35" total elevation which is 17.5 up and 17.5 down. You wouldn't even be able to zero at 100 with a 20 MOA base. You should look for another scope if you plan to shoot to 1600 yards.

http://bushnell.com/tactical/riflesc...x-50mm-mil-dot

[Sleeper99]

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[bowfishn]

Bushnell lists some of their tactical elites as UP or half of the total and some as Total.
ET4305 is listed as UP or half of total. There is a good review for the ET4305 here:http://www.gunsumerreports.com/revie...actical_p1.php
They found according to the total turret adjustment the ET4305 has 85 inches total, of coarse if you use up total you will not be able to adjust as much for windage, that may be why the ET4305 is listed as only 35 inches Up and not 42.5 inches as they got from total adjustment.
Some of the models such as found here:http://bushnell.com/tactical/riflesc...x-50mm-mil-dot are listed as total 24 mils or 86.4 inches

[bowfishn]

Even my 30-06 only requires 27" to get it to 1000 yards with the 165 grain bullet I use at 3100 fps out of my Sako Finnbear. It goes subsonic at about 1250 yards 1250 yards requires 41" of coarse these figures are based on published ballistics not actual range results.
The rifle I will set the scope up on is a 6.5 Creedmore which is much flatter shooting.

[LongRange]

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[Rob01]

Even my 30-06 only requires 27" to get it to 1000 yards with the 165 grain bullet I use at 3100 fps out of my Sako Finnbear. It goes subsonic at about 1250 yards 1250 yards requires 41" of coarse these figures are based on published ballistics not actual range results.
The rifle I will set the scope up on is a 6.5 Creedmore which is much flatter shooting.

If you can shoot the 147 ELD-Ms and get them as fast as I am shooting them in my Creedmoor, 2825fps, then it will be 61.25 MOA to get you to 1600 yards at 60 degrees and sea level. It's 38.5 at 1250. Shooting the 140s at 2850fps you will need 69.3 MOA to 1600 and would be 41.8 MOA at 1250.

[yobuck]

Well the OP sure has his work cut out for him dosen't he? lol
Building the gun was the easy part, choosing the proper scope is obviously more difficult.

What is ELR?
Is it as far as you can shoot? Or is it as far as you can accurately shoot?
We hear lots of talk about shooting a mile. But there are never any pics of groups shot at a mile here are there?
Id be willing to place a 4' square target at a mile where I shoot/hunt, and feel safe betting $100 a shot against hitting it on most days with most shooters.
And on some days with any shooter. I might not win every shot, but id win on far more than id lose.
Especially with cartridges of caliber 30 and smaller.
For over 25 years I used a custom actioned 30x378 with a 36" 1.350 barrel.
We use a specific rock ledge to shoot at across a deep valley with a very large stream for testing guns.
A small rock aiming point on top of the ledge is 1480 yards regardless of what rangefinder is used. If the wind is blowing hard we don't even bother shooting there. But on good days, it would take about 145 1/4 minit clicks on the scope to hit the target rock. Some days even 150 clicks.
That was with a 200 gr SMK @ 3500 FPS. Now for the serious BC followers, a 220 SMK took even more clicks, and a 240 SMK was even worse.
Proving, that velocity will in fact trump BC to some point. At 1700 yds, which of coarse is less than a mile, it took 200 clicks for the 200 SMK.
And by that time the others were within roughly the same range of clicks. Mind you now, that is with a 3500 FPS gun, not a 3000 fps gun or even less.
Beyond all that, accuracy from shot to shot could be considered poor, as for shooting at a live target the majority of the time.
Which probably explains why in over 45 years I don't personaly know anyone who has made a 1 mile kill in PA.
And for sure some have been trying.
Id say enjoy the gun for what it is, because no scope will make any of them what it isn't.

[XL105]

Yobuck is a f in tard

[XL105]

Yobuck is a f in tard

[yobuck]

I'm going to start another thread for mile ranges. Please reply to it if you know of any


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Well 1 mile ranges especially in the east would be a very rare thing. Fact is I haven't ever heard of one.
1000 YDS yes, there are some, including 3 within about 75 miles of our camp.
I can shoot to 2 miles from the front yard, and about any distance under that if the leaves are off the trees.
I have a friend who owns a reclaimed strip mine and currently has steel targets starting at 800 and going to a mile.
He could and will ultimately have them to 2000. He also has shooting shacks built on the property, allowing for shooting/hunting in poor weather.
I'm going to flat out tell you the opinions you have are wrong. And that will affect the goals you've set for yourself.
I don't think you have an experience issue. If you had the opportunity to shoot, you would recognize that very quickly.
You will not be shooting accurately, consistently, at the distances you desire with anything less than a 338.
And preferably one that will send a 300 gr bullet at 3000 fps, and more is even better.
And that means BY BY to a Savage action, at least for sane people.
Those aren't my rules by the way, they are simply the rules.
I would be glad to host a group at our place for a fun weekend of rock shooting.

[XL105]

Yobuck is a f in tard

[yobuck]

Well no matter what I look forward to trying. I like to hear others thoughts and opinions. Can't learn if you can't listen. But doesn't mean I won't try. In the end one of two things will happen. Either I achieve my goal with my 300WM or I will achieve it with my (future) 338 Lapua. It's a win win yobuck!


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You will have a very good cartridge with the 300 Win Mag.
Enjoy shooting it, because it will be a good performer.
Note what I said about my 30x378. 145/150 clicks at 1480 yards.
200 clicks 220 yards further, which means the tank is empty.
The longer they are in the air, the more problems can develop, it's that simple.

[bearcatrp]

I picked up a 338 LM after selling my 6.5 creedmoor for a one mile shoot some time in the future. Once I start hitting 1000 yards consistently, Then I will be trying the 1 mile shoot!

[yobuck]

There used to be a place in Ohio that held 1 mile shoots. Not sure but I think they no longer do it.
Bruce Baer won that a couple of times with I think around a 9" group. Not sure but maybe Joel Russo did also.
Mark King and John Buhay are both very much into the extreme range shooting also. Any of those guys would be able to offer up good information.
Also, several members here have shot in VA at a facility called Bangsteel. It is in or very near Wytheville VA,
which is where I 77 and I 81 cross on a map.
They actually give long range classes there with shooting out to 1 mile.