New Savage AR!

[snowgetter1]

I really can't believe it.
https://youtu.be/DOMl4h9Wxk0

[DrThunder88]

Interesting. The left side charging handle seems to be the most distinguishing thing about it, but with ARs it is hard to stand out.

[Dave Hoback]

I'm not surprised. Was only a matter of time. Little too late in my book. I have never purchased an AR. I have been building them since 2005. And to me, the ones I build now are hands down better than any on the market. And now with these 80% receivers, there is even less reason to by one. I'm sure it will be nice, but I bet it ends up being rediculously expensive and do what pretty much every AR does. Shoot effectively.

[sharpshooter]

The AR market bubble bursts, so all the AR makers tap into the Savage market by making prefit barrels. So then Savage counters by making AR's.............. how ironic. Everybody is following the herd....

[Robinhood]

The AR market bubble bursts, so all the AR makers tap into the Savage market by making prefit barrels. So then Savage counters by making AR's.............. how ironic. Everybody is following the herd....

No chit! Ironic indeed.

[snowgetter1]

I'm not surprised. Was only a matter of time. Little too late in my book. I have never purchased an AR. I have been building them since 2005. And to me, the ones I build now are hands down better than any on the market. And now with these 80% receivers, there is even less reason to by one. I'm sure it will be nice, but I bet it ends up being rediculously expensive and do what pretty much every AR does. Shoot effectively.

I am with you. I just can't believe there is that much of a market left for another AR. I too enjoy building an AR more than buying.

[homefrontsniper]

I'm not surprised. Was only a matter of time. Little too late in my book. I have never purchased an AR. I have been building them since 2005. And to me, the ones I build now are hands down better than any on the market. And now with these 80% receivers, there is even less reason to by one. I'm sure it will be nice, but I bet it ends up being rediculously expensive and do what pretty much every AR does. Shoot effectively.

Better. Then les bear. CLE. White oak. JP enterprises

[ninner]

I like the side charging handle on my FN FAL and It looks good on the AR but I don't see them being in the $500 to $600 range they would need to be in to sell.

[Dave Hoback]

Better. Then les bear. CLE. White oak. JP enterprises

Absolutely! Because each one is built with EXACTLY the parts I wanted. You never have to settle for anything when your building your own. Everyone I know who has ever been an AR builder feels the same.

[J.Baker]

This is something Fred and I have discussed more times than I'd care to count for several years now. We both knew it would come eventually, but why...WHY jump into a market at this point that's already overly saturated? Sprinfield Armory has done the same thing with their new AR - the Saint. WHY?!?!?!?!

It's the same with the 1911 market. Everybody and their brother is making them and you can buy one brand new for as little as $450. Yet Ruger and Ithaca and Remington have all come out with their own 1911's in the last few years - and I'm sure a few other manufacturers will follow suit in the very near future as well.

Then there's the Remington 700 clone market - another avenue that Ithaca decided to go down recently because they can't come up with anything new or original of their own.

Lest we not forget the Savage 10/110 clone's - the Mossberg Patriot/MVP rifles, the Ruger American, the Remington 783 and the discontinued Marlin M7 rifles that all copied the 10/110 design simplicity.

Welcome to the 21st Century of American firearm manufacturing - aka the "Me Too" mob. And this is why I haven't purchased a NEW gun in several years, because there's very little NEW that's actually NEW.

[dfrosch]

This is something Fred and I have discussed more times than I'd care to count for several years now. We both knew it would come eventually, but why...WHY jump into a market at this point that's already overly saturated? Sprinfield Armory has done the same thing with their new AR - the Saint. WHY?!?!?!?!

It's the same with the 1911 market. Everybody and their brother is making them and you can buy one brand new for as little as $450. Yet Ruger and Ithaca and Remington have all come out with their own 1911's in the last few years - and I'm sure a few other manufacturers will follow suit in the very near future as well.

Then there's the Remington 700 clone market - another avenue that Ithaca decided to go down recently because they can't come up with anything new or original of their own.

Lest we not forget the Savage 10/110 clone's - the Mossberg Patriot/MVP rifles, the Ruger American, the Remington 783 and the discontinued Marlin M7 rifles that all copied the 10/110 design simplicity.

Welcome to the 21st Century of American firearm manufacturing - aka the "Me Too" mob. And this is why I haven't purchased a NEW gun in several years, because there's very little NEW that's actually NEW.

The Terminator: Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

Pawn Shop Clerk: [annoyed] Hey, just what you see, pal!

[homefrontsniper]

Absolutely! Because each one is built with EXACTLY the parts I wanted. You never have to settle for anything when your building your own. Everyone I know who has ever been an AR builder feels the same.

Had all 4 . les bear was amazing accurate with 77 smk and reloder 15 . And 55 v-max

[Dave Hoback]

I never said these upper echelon AR's weren't accurate. I said the AR's I build are better because I can tailor each one to the individual owner. MrFurious said the same market flooding goes with 1911's as well. Yup! Same reason I build those well! I purchased a Springfield Mil-Spec & then an SW1911 when I started in USPSA for fun. That was well over a decade ago! Take any $2000+ AR15 or 1911, and start looking at parts.

[godale]

Guess it was coming . I really have no interest in a ar no matter who makes it . For others they work but not for me . Really think it's bad timing to enter the market but I am sure the bean counters at savage know best !


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[J.Baker]

Stopped by the local high volume gun shop the other day and this subject came up. I asked him how AR's were selling, he said they weren't - except for one. I asked which one, he said the Springfield Saint - and only because it's new (he's sold 8 so far). He pretty much shares the rest of our views on the AR market in that it's overly saturated, played out, and any manufacturer would be a fool to want to get into it as a new player at this point.

The Savage appears to have a left side charging handle which would separate it some from the pack. I've never used one so I can't say if that's a good thing or not, and as a lefty I find the somewhat ambidextrous standard charging handle to be just fine where it is.

I would have much rather seen Savage put their time and effort into developing an all new bolt-action rimfire platform with better magazines or fixing the known issues/shortcomings in the existing centerfire lines.

[godale]

Your right about the rim fire mags when I try to get people on savage rifles that's all I hear


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[TMD11111]

http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Sava...eid=77242c6c80

5R rifling is a nice touch. Not keen on Blackhawk furnature but considering Savage owns them it was a given. Other than that nothings special.

[LoneWolf]

I would have much rather seen Savage put their time and effort into developing an all new bolt-action rimfire platform with better magazines or fixing the known issues/shortcomings in the existing centerfire lines.

This!

[TMD11111]

This!

http://www.savagearms.com/news/

Ask and ye shall receive

[J.Baker]

Liking Savage's new website. The old one was a little to dark and dreary for my taste. Now if they would just create an RSS feed for their news page.

[godale]

Maybe it's coming later ?


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[J.Baker]

Looks like there will be two MSR15 variants offered in .223/5.56 (Recon & Patrol), and two MSR10 variants offered in .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor (Hunter & Long Range). All of the following is from Joe Bob Outfitters webstore.




Details on the MSR 15 Patrol Rifle

The new Savage MSR 15 Patrol is a step up from the many rack-grade M4 clones popular today. With an upgraded barrel featuring a 223 Wylde target chamber, 5R rifling and a Melonite QPQ finish, the rifle delivers accuracy well beyond mil-spec. A BLACKHAWK!® handguard, pistol grip and adjustable buttstock further separate the Patrol from all other MSRs.




FEATURES:
• Mil-spec upper and lower receiver
• 16 1/8-inch barrel with 5R rifling and Melonite QPQ finish
• 223 Wylde target chamber for use with 223 Rem. or 5.56x45mm
• Mil-spec trigger
• Mid-length gas system
• BLACKHAWK! KNOXX® AR Pistol Grip and AXIOM™ Carbine Stock
• Custom A-frame gas block front sight
• BLACKHAWK! flip-up rear sight


Specs:
PART NUMBER: 22900
DESRIPTION MSR: 15 Patrol
MANUFACTURER: Savage
ACTION TYPE: Direct-impingement semi-auto
CALIBER: 223 Rem./5.56x45mm
CAPACITY: 30
FINISH: Matte black hardcoat anodized receiver and Melonite QPQ barrel
BARREL LENGTH: 16.125”
RIFLING: 1:8” 5R Right-hand
SIGHTS: Custom gas block front with rear BLACKAHWK! flip-up
LENGTH: 32.5” – 35.75”
WEIGHT: 6.5 pounds

[TMD11111]

Well my LGS just got a new Savage MSR Patrol in and I must say, its a sad disappointment. The front sight / gas block is some kind of alloy (most likely aluminum) which with heavy use will surely get burned through and leak, what's suppose to a forward assist is just a plastic plug ( yes I know its not needed but a plastic plug, really), and lastly the fit between the upper and lower is horrible. It looks like two different mismatched brands with the lines not aligning up. Even the gun shop said they've seen better quality on less expensive guns.
So sad, I was expecting more from Savage.

[Dave Hoback]

Oh WOW! That is just awful! Bad form Savage. Bad form! Considering I build these for under $1K, they have no excuse!

The MSR looks rediculous, to be so cheaply built like that! You can assemble the same thing for about $400 now! Again, my builds are in the $1k range, and will hang with AR's costing 2-3 times that!

[snowgetter1]

Savage could probably sell more Strikers, if the made them again, than that AR. That is one sad looking AR.