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    Military Sniper/Marksmen; Do they drop or weigh charges?


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    They get they're ammo in a crate.
    It's maginaly better than factory.
    Most of they're shots don't require such precision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelhead View Post
    They get they're ammo in a crate.
    It's maginaly better than factory.
    Most of they're shots don't require such precision.
    You didn't watch the video did you? This was at Quantico for the Marine marksmen.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    You didn't watch the video did you? This was at Quantico for the Marine marksmen.
    And in the field like in Afghanistan snipers use issued ammunition.

    Cartridge, Caliber 7.62mm Special Ball, Long Range, MK 316 MOD 0 (United States): A 175-grain round specifically designed for long-range sniping consisting of Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point Boat Tail projectiles, Federal Cartridge Company match cartridge cases and Gold Medal Match primers. The Propellant has been verified as IMR 4064 (per NSN 1305-01-567-6944 and Federal Cartridge Company Contract/Order Number N0016408DJN28 and has a charge weight per the specs of 41.7.

    The above ammunition is made by Federal for a military contract for sniping ammunition.

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    I did watch the video and found it interesting. Especially the history portion and the fact that very long periods between major accuracy improvements took place.
    I also read the book written by the ultimate sniper a few years ago. According to him in the book, the ammo they used was match grade, made by Black Hills ammo.
    I guess the question becomes what does it require for ammo to be considered match grade.

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    It seems to Me there is a YouTube video of Marine smiths building rifles and loading ammo for competition. Can't remember if they weighed or dumped the ammo?

    From what we've learned to this point, it would seem that sniper ammo is dumped, like all factory loads?

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    The portion of the video that was sighted was Marine marksmen talking about tailoring loads to a particular rifle. Where they weighed each component of the cartridge including powder.
    If you missed that may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigedp51 View Post
    And in the field like in Afghanistan snipers use issued ammunition.

    Cartridge, Caliber 7.62mm Special Ball, Long Range, MK 316 MOD 0 (United States): A 175-grain round specifically designed for long-range sniping consisting of Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point Boat Tail projectiles, Federal Cartridge Company match cartridge cases and Gold Medal Match primers. The Propellant has been verified as IMR 4064 (per NSN 1305-01-567-6944 and Federal Cartridge Company Contract/Order Number N0016408DJN28 and has a charge weight per the specs of 41.7.

    The above ammunition is made by Federal for a military contract for sniping ammunition.
    Great info. I knew they used 4064 but wasnt aware of the exact weight. I've been using 41.5gr of 4064 and 175SMK along with federal 210M for years. It never stops amazing me as to the consistency of that combo.
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    Sorry "Rob", got interrupted before I could see the whole thing. The history lesson was good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigedp51 View Post
    And in the field like in Afghanistan snipers use issued ammunition.

    Cartridge, Caliber 7.62mm Special Ball, Long Range, MK 316 MOD 0 (United States): A 175-grain round specifically designed for long-range sniping consisting of Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point Boat Tail projectiles, Federal Cartridge Company match cartridge cases and Gold Medal Match primers. The Propellant has been verified as IMR 4064 (per NSN 1305-01-567-6944 and Federal Cartridge Company Contract/Order Number N0016408DJN28 and has a charge weight per the specs of 41.7.

    The above ammunition is made by Federal for a military contract for sniping ammunition.
    Interesting to note that individual test have shown that many lots of FGMM the cartridges weigh within .1 grain of each other.

    Similar loads in LC brass are very accurate. There is at least one node at a higher charge that is extremely accurate.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    Interesting to note that individual test have shown that many lots of FGMM the cartridges weigh within .1 grain of each other.

    Similar loads in LC brass are very accurate. There is at least one node at a higher charge that is extremely accurate.
    I already node that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigedp51 View Post
    I already node that.
    I node you knew that! Now everybody who didn't, they node it now.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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