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Hey everyone,
I'm finally starting to piece together everything for a build. My plan so far is to take my savage stagger feed short action .243 and build a LR deer and below gun. I've researched this several times but life got in the way (read: met an awesome girl and put a ring on it) but now I'm at a place where I can start the gathering of parts. Here's what I have come up with so far.
Action: Savage
Stock: B&C Medalist black with red webbing
Barrel: Shilen, McGowen, or XCALIBER varmint profile .243 win 1-8 twist 26" still researching
Scope: Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP MOA*
Rings: Not sure, but a EGW 20moa base for sure
Bipod: Again I'm not sure.
I reload, so ammo won't be a problem. I plan on shooting the 87 vmax to 105gr offerings. I'd like to throw 115s but the twist needed seems like it would destroy lesser bullets.
I'm gone until November or so, so lead times aren't much of a problem. Do any of you have suggestions?*
Thanks,
Zach
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Last edited by Dave Hoback; 06-03-2016 at 10:18 AM.
I live in Colorado Springs and I'd like to get into coyote hunting and try to draw an antelope tag. This is the main purpose for this build. I also like to reach out there on the range and I'd like to be able to get consistent hits out to 1k on coyote sized targets. I'm not opposed to weight and this will mainly be a gun for open areas. I have a bow and 45-70 for closer quarters. I've been looking at ditching the 20moa base and going with the Burris Signature rings with inserts. I was already looking at a new barrel nut and recoil lug. I took those as a given for an accurate rifle. When I shot smallbore prone matches I always liked a little more length on the bolt for easier operation so I'll look into a bolt handle. I used to try all sorts of stuff. Even ran a nut with a piece of brass hot glued to it for a few matches. If I can find a threaded bolt I'll probably tinker with some designs.
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Run the bullets you are looking at through a ballistics app. I am not positive, but I don't think you need to cant your scope on a .243 to get to 1000.
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Last edited by Dave Hoback; 06-03-2016 at 10:19 AM.
That's just a point where we're going to have to disagree. Game animals at 1k? Yes, totally unethical with a .243. Coyotes? It's got the gas and the accuracy. I'm not saying that this would be the norm but I know coyotes like to hang up sometimes and should that happen, dead dog.
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Real HUNTERS (men) would not have to take such a long shot.
Now, sit back and watch the sparks fly!
Last edited by foxx; 06-01-2016 at 11:23 PM.
I'm not going to get in an argument over this on the Internet. And speaking of sparks flying. My range has steel scuba tanks out to almost 1200. Maybe I can make some sparks on that.
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Well, being that scuba tanks are made off aluminum, I don't believe sparks are possible. Lol!
I'm not understanding what you are saying here. You agree, no game animals at that range. But is it your contention, that coyotys are considered a varmint, so it doesn't matter if you take unethical shots at them?
I'm not saying that a coyote doesn't require an ethical shot. I just don't consider them a game animal (something I'd eat). I'm also not saying that I have a goal to shoot a coyote that far but if it happens that way I know that the .243 will have more than enough energy and accuracy to do the job. Can I go out right now with this rifle that doesn't exist yet and make that shot? Probably not. I was at one point a nationally ranked rifle shooter and competed in college so the ability to shoot is there but I'm not confident in my wind calling to do it yet. And FYI you can get a steel or aluminum scuba tank.
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I disagree with almost this entire post. You don't need a magnum to go 1000 yards on deer sized game. I've done it and seen it done a handfull of times with a simple .260 Remington and the deer died just as quickly as if it was shot with a 300 Win Mag. The .243 should work extremely well on coyotes and other vermin at that range. Also, the Burris rings are just about the best rings you can buy. The inserts not only hold the scope securely they center the scope within the rings so that there is no binding and no ring marks when you pull them off. I have them mounted on every rifle I own and have never had a problem with them.
Here is a nice review of the rings and the features they have.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-...ure-zee-rings/
Anschutz, concerning the scuba tank, I referenced that as a joke. Thought I was clear with "LOL" at the end. But, please forgive me if you took offense to it. Was not my intention. Take care.
Last edited by Dave Hoback; 06-03-2016 at 10:23 AM.
No offense taken. I really like your build. It is pretty nice. I like the your choice in caliber if I was hunting larger game with this rifle. I still may get a spare bolt and barrel in 300 wsm down the road for larger stuff.
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I used to be a hunter. Then I learned how to shoot. Now I don't even bother to get outta bed anymore. LOL
Just ordered a barrel. McGowen sendero profile, 1-8, 26 in.
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You should probably think about stepping off of your high horse. You're in a discussion forum. If you think your opinion isn't open for discussion, you should probably just keep it to yourself. Between your other antagonistic post and this one, you're not making many friends here.
Originally Posted by keeki
Guess it doesn't really matter. If ya cant afford $15, you won't be buying much anyways
According to his PM to me he gets run off many forums.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
There are plenty of people that kill coyotes at 1000+ with a .243. I know for sure I have seen at least one guy that posts videos on Utoob. I bet it is harder to get video of kills at that distance than it is to actually get kills.
I shoot bunnies with a .22, is that inhumane? At 100 yards there is WAY less energy coming from a .22 than there is from a .243 at 1000, as in 79-100 ft/lbs vs 700 ft/lbs. If you put the hole in the right place it isn't going far. Flight time is going to be over 1 second, but with 105g bergers you are still supersonic so the bullet will hit before they ever hear the sound.
Now, as far as calling them? I have rarely had a shot of more than 300 yards. Them song dogs are sneaky. I am going to try and really stretch the legs on my .260 this fall as I didn't draw any big game tags. I will have no qualms taking long shots if the opportunity presents itself.
Last edited by schnyd112; 06-03-2016 at 09:32 PM.
Alright fellas, we're not here to discuss ethics of shots on animals. We can start a new thread for that. Got confirmation of my order from McGowen late last night (midday US time)
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Quick update. Just ordered a Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. I've only spent more on one gun than this scope ever. Next up is the stock and then I'll get to sourcing the smaller items like recoil lug, bases, rings, and bipod.
On the barrel choice, I would consider McGowen the most likely to have problems. Not all but both have consistent reports of poor barrels
X-caliber has had universal good reviews and particularly impressed people when Apache has supplied them.
Shilen seems to be a consistent good supplier though usually not available in less than 6 weeks (few if any on the shelf)
Too late now. This is my first foray into aftermarket barrels and I heard lots of good about McGowen so I went with them. Their site was also easy to use.
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Well you do move fast.
My brother has a McGowan that is great, has a couple more headed his way.
I have a Shilen and a X-Caliber, will see how they do in comparison.
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