Reply With QuoteIt should be able to be done. Id go with something like a 45-70 or a .45 colt
Has anyone seen this done or done it? In Ohio we are now allowed to use rifles to hunt whitetail deer with, except it must be a straight wall cartridge. I'm interested to know if you can build one from a savage action. Also what caliber would you suggest to build if possible.
It should be able to be done. Id go with something like a 45-70 or a .45 colt
It works. Might search 450bm for some details. Also one of the guys did a 444marlin striker.
I think a control feed action (early wsm models) would eliminate headspace/trim length issues.
I have the 500/375 on a push feed. Only issue is changing bullets changes headspace or trim length. YMMV
^ Why! Doesn't the 375 Headspace on the Belt? ^
I'm guessing it's a 375 Ruger base cartridge and they don't have a belt.
I have heard that the Savage action will not feed rimmed cartridges worth a hoot. Check Ohio's rules carefully to make sure it does not say it has to be an established cartridge, not a wildcat, in other words.
The 450 Marlin can be fed in a short action magazine, and uses the same head as the 300WM. It will be a shoulder thumper unless you reload. The 450 Marlin spaces off the belt so it will be easy to headspace, but a non-rimmed cartridge that is straight walled can be tricky to set up.
^^Nailed it!^^Originally Posted by shoalwater
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I don't think Ohio allows the 450BM
Straight walled cartridges permitted for deer hunting in Ohio (per reg's): .357 Mag, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55 Winchester, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 S&W, .450 Marlin, .454 Casull, .460 S&W, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 S&W.
Pretty much have to use something with a belt on it in a 110 if you want a repeater. Nothing with a rim is going to feed reliably, and you need something to headspace off of. I toyed with the idea of trying to build something suitable on a Savage for a while, but the .450 Marlin was really the only viable option on the list of approved cartridges for a 110. The other option was finding an old Model 340 in .30-30 and rebarreling it to .375 Winchester, but that really didn't appeal to me as the 340 was never offered in LH. In the end I just bought myself a lever gun in .375 Winchester.
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Can you explain "belt on it" I am not familiar with this
500/375 not belted
7mm rem mag belted
223 not belted
Not a good pic but...
Sounds to me like you have a great excuse to buy a new gun. I see a nice new lever gun could be in your future and probably end up being cheaper than trying to build something from scratch.
Last edited by stomp442; 03-10-2016 at 07:08 PM.
I built a 450 bushmaster, off a 110 30/06. Was fairly easy , but I had to put a 308 magazine in the mag well to get it to feed to my liking. I have a few videos of the build on you tube, My videos are under Warrick county outdoors. If you have any questions let me know.
i would suggest to use a 308 family short action to start your build. It just makes things a lot easier.
Thats nice, but once again, he's building a rifle for hunting in Ohio and the BM is not on the list of approved cartridges.
Originally Posted by keeki
Guess it doesn't really matter. If ya cant afford $15, you won't be buying much anyways
Sorry brother! I was at working a quick break making a quick reply trying to give a little help. I will read a little more next time.
I am not familiar with the 340 at all so bear with me on this. The 375 factory loads are loaded to 308 Win pressure levels, so not sure if the 340 can take those pressures. If not the 38-55 is always a safe option. Same case basically, but lower pressures. The 375 in a bolt gun would be fun. I have the old top eject model 94 Big Bore in 375. Fun cartridge.
As was suggested, I would look for a nice levergun. Maybe an older Marlin in 38-55. You can even, easily, get a 30-30 rebored to 375 or 38-55. One of those pushing a 250gr slug at 1800 will do the job nicely. With a Marlin you have the choice of open sights or scope.
Would they allow modifying a cartridge? I know some places allow you to shorten a cartridge to make it legal. If so you could build a 357 Maximum Rimless using 223 brass.
BW
I seriously doubt that. They will look at cartridge head stamp if they do not recognize it. Most game wardens are pretty gun/cartridge savvy.
If that's the case, they would surely be able to tell it is not a 223, being that the brass is straight walled and it has a 35 cal bullet in the end. . .
They should be able to recognize it as a 357 Maximum with the exception of the rim.
BW
OBVIOUSLY, but it also in NOT on the list of approved cartridges, as either 223 or 35 whatever. THAT was my point.
I believe 357 Maximum is second on the list. . .
If it needs to say "357 Maximum" on the brass, just turn the rim down.
Of course all of that is a moot point if they will not allow modified brass. Your best bet would to build a single shot on a T/C or Handi-Rifle or a lever rifle as has been described previously.
BW
Last edited by Ol' BW; 03-11-2016 at 12:31 PM.
They might buy that one. The MAX would be plenty of power. Not sure if the OP reloads or not, and that would be a lot of work, IF there is enough metal at the base for a safe cartridge. You would have to turn it down enough to allow for extraction as well. Most rimmed cartridges are not that thick at the base.
LOT simpler to just buy a levergun. Plenty of them out there. Get an old used Marlin in 30-30 and have JES rebore it to 38-55 or 375 Win, and be done with it.
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