Thanks XL105
The Lee dispenser is absolutely fine,, the problems come from the type of powder being used. Stick powder will not generally meter as well as a ball type powder. Ball powder is finer and will be more consistent. Stick powders like Varget and 4064 just through your charge a little low on the scale pan, place pan on the scale then trickle to where you want it.
There really is an excuse for everything!
But you didnt answer my question. Its easy to say whatever we wish, but again, ask yourself the question.Originally Posted by XL105
Or if its a little heavy just dampen the end of a finger and take some back out?
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Last edited by XL105; 01-31-2016 at 09:16 AM.
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
You have, and since your an experienced shooter you can no doubt understand the nature of the questions.
That being, the best equiptment wont make you the best shooter. And not having the best wont make you a bad shooter.
Someone just starting out loading really dosent need the so called very best and may well never need it to produce good loads.
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
As did all of us, but now the question becomes, did the answers answer the op's question?
Did the poor quality video answer his question? Did the poor quality video really answer (any) questions? lol
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
yobuck. I posted the vid. It was in response to the "precisely weighed powder charges are not important" mentality. Not necessarily and exact answer to the OP's question. However, as you know, one simple question turns into a plethora of questions when you get responses from the variety of posters you find on this forum.
Since many can claim to be an authority, sometimes we simply let the professionals speak. Nothing is incontrovertible but success adds legitimacy to the argument. Therefore; A good balance beam scale like and RCBS or any Ohaus manufactured scale can be the foundation of great reloads if it is good condition and has not been abused. Not a lot of money but with proper understanding and care it will do the job.
The Poster did not ask how he could become the best shooter with expensive or cheap equipment. With this brand or that brand equipment. He asked "which scale do you use"? He received several replies and several people decided to muddy the waters. Sometime you need to add a weir to remove the turbidity.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
I use the snort trap,, you put a little screen in your nostril and use the straw that comes in the kit and snort a kernal or two out if necessary.
There really is an excuse for everything!
Yobuck is a f in idiot
Its Not the Violence that sets Men apart...
Its the Distance They are Willing to travel!
While those two old goats fight it outI'm using the new old stock 505 I tuned last year after my son "permanently" borrowed my old tuned D5!
It doesn't drift, doesn't need a power source, doesn't need warmed up an hour before use and its as accurate /repeatable/consistent as a Rolex or a cheap Timex. I do have two digital scales, a RCBS and a Gem Pro 250 but seldom use them.
Bill
Each morning eat a live green toad, it will be the worst thing you'll have face all day.
Your fine XL 105,, accurate scales is a good thing,, especially if your going to get into the long range game, every bit helps.
There really is an excuse for everything!
Lol my question was answered and thanks to all who took time to help a brother out. I know better equipment will not make me a better shooter but also understand the importance of consistency, and how better equipment provide that. I'm a big fan of Yobucks practical approaches and easy to understand verbage. Also all the little tips Bill and others that shared..sorry if I missed any names..like I said..this tiny screen makes it hard to everyone. Xl105,, thanks for the vids and your information. I know I will need to know more. Big DanSavage also uses practical approaches like Yobucks..that's the stuff that's easy to remember for a rookie like me lol but seriously, I appreciate all the tips and low downs on products. I hate buying something trying to pinch a PENNY and end up spending twice as much having to replace it with a good product. I wouldn't have known about the issues with digiscales. And it's also good to know the Lee disprnsors isn't garbage. Nice to meet all of you and hope I don't annoy any of you with my questions, cause Lawd knows there will be more bahahah
Heck, I've been using an RCBS 505 for 38+ years. It's reliable & magnetically dampened.
I use it to validate my powder measure, the old school RCBS measure, also 38+ years old, and my Dillon and Lee measures.
The volume measures are great with ball powder, but when it comes to extruded powder (4064, 3031, Varget) I use the RCBS since it'll "chop" the powder grains.
Even cutting the grains, I've never seen more than 1/10th of a grain in variation.
It's all in a consistent motion.
:-)
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I am replacing my RCBS (PACT) and Lyman auto dispensing electronic scale with a SmartReloader ISD. If you get one, be sure you tweak the settings with each powder you use (And SAVE the settings) to really speed things up without overcharging very often. Once set for that powder, you are golden. You CANNOT do this with the Chargemaster. You can adjust the speed / trickle settings but you can't save multiple settings so it only works the best for the one you set it with. Some guys add a small piece of plastic tubing (McDonald's Soda Straw) at the opening of the tube to prevent powder stackup.
I will keep my old 10-10? Ohaus as a backup for when there is no power or to verify the electronic from time to time, but I DETEST loading with it. In fact I pretty much hate using a balance beam scale for anything. I guess I am one lazy old guy. My Lyman auto dispenser has produced ammo that shoots in the teens, but it is too slow for me and tends to drift over an hour or so.
Whatever you get if it is an electronic scale, consider putting ferrite chokes on both ends of the power supply wire. They usually eliminate odd behavior and drifting if done right.
The 'drift' of an electronic scale over a few hours, plus the increased sensitivity is the reason that I volume load, checking every 10th load when in the top 20% of the charge weights. Under normal circumstances, I can see that a fraction of a tenth of a grain difference makes as much as 15-25fps difference. Yes it can make a difference but I haven't found that it was worthwhile.
I used to shoot high power, weighing every single charge, but overall loading technique and shooting technique overpower the difference of a fractional tenth of a grain, but then I'm no longer a bench rest shooter or high power shooter... I just enjoy it!
I have heard of drift being eliminated with some scales using the ferrite chokes. I plan to try them with my new scale once it arrives.
I throw most of my charges from a good measure and get quit good accuracy from those loads with most powders, but for the 1000 to 1500 yard stuff in 50 BMG and 338 Lapua, I still weigh every charge even though they are just for fun for me.
While those two old goats fight it out
It doesn't drift, doesn't need a power source, doesn't need warmed up an hour before use and its as accurate /repeatable/consistent as a Rolex or a cheap Timex. I do have two digital scales, a RCBS and a Gem Pro 250 but seldom use them.
Bill
Biil,
Can you elaborate on how you tune your 505 scale. I have a 10-10 and seems it doesn't always settle consistently.
Ron
The 10-10 is a repackaged 5-10. There are a couple things to to look at.
1. The Vee shafts on center balance must be clean and sharp.They're best cleaned-LIGHTLY sharpened using a stone and a magnifying glass. If they're pitted or beat up either replace the shaft or get a new beam.
2. The agate blocks(bearings) each rest on a rounded top 'dimple' in their towers. The tops are usually painted the scale color. The paint should be removed and the top polished like a mirror so the blocks can move freely and align to each other.
Which bring us to the pan support hanger, it's shafts and the support itself. They're as if not more important than balance shafts and blocks.
The pan support hanger vee shafts should be sharp, the hanger end loops must be parallel to the beam with minimum outside to outside clearance on the end of shaft nubs. The center of the end loop must be centered on the center of the beam. The 'hook' on the pan support should be clean and polished. A pan that seems to oscillate next to forever is a very good thing!
Just a important keep the scale covered and clean the bearings, vee shafts and pan hanger support occasionally. I use rubbing alcohol and a Q-Tip.
There are a few other things to look at and or do and correct but with those I those I mentioned your 10-10 should react to one kernel of extruded powder,~.02 gr and be repeatable across its entire weight range.
Bill
Each morning eat a live green toad, it will be the worst thing you'll have face all day.
well I have an old scott parker tuned ohaus 10-10, a chargemaster, 2 gempro 250's and a ohaus yj102
I also have a lee perfect powder measure and a Harrell precision BR powder measure
what I do for long range stuff is throw charges, weigh and trickle (I have the omega electronic trickler) on one gempro and then check the weight on the second gempro. If they agree I feel the load is accurate. I can do this faster than my chargemaster and know it is much more accurate.
hunting and other range ammo I set the powder measure up with the gempro and throw charges. This is the fastest method.
+1 on the 5-0-5, every electronic scale I have had has failed me
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