Are the Pacific Tool bolt heads stronger than the factory bolt heads.
Are the Pacific Tool bolt heads stronger than the factory bolt heads.
No.
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my gunsmith just out a ptg bolt head and a factory bolt head in the Rockwell hardness tester. PTG was harder than factory. Also savage was harder than rem 700 bolt.Originally Posted by sharpshooter
Just out of curiosity what are the advantages of these?
For me after I installed mine it took out a lot of the sloppiness compared to the factory bolt body and that was my only reason for buying it in the first place. I read a review of it on Midway and the guy said he felt like it reduced his sloppiness by 80% I don't know if I can make that claim, but I will say to me it is a night and day difference over the factory bolt body as far as the sloppiness/smoothness and was well worth the money. The fact that it is spiral fluted and looks cool is just a added bonus......
They're talking about bolt heads, not bolt bodies. Other than the custom sizes the only advantage is if your factory bolt head has a flaw of some type causing issues. Some call Savage to get it replaced, some call PTG. Savage requires an FFL or waiver in order to ship these parts though I believe. Sometimes you can just contact Numrich and get the part you need even quicker though.For me after I installed mine it took out a lot of the sloppiness compared to the factory bolt body and that was my only reason for buying it in the first place. I read a review of it on Midway and the guy said he felt like it reduced his sloppiness by 80% I don't know if I can make that claim, but I will say to me it is a night and day difference over the factory bolt body as far as the sloppiness/smoothness and was well worth the money. The fact that it is spiral fluted and looks cool is just a added bonus......
Opps overlooked that.............lol
I agree with LoneWolf, the bolt head has to be strong whoever it comes from. Bolt bodies are a different story.
Dennis
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Is there an advantage?
Originally Posted by keeki
Guess it doesn't really matter. If ya cant afford $15, you won't be buying much anyways
The advantage of buying a PT&G bolt head is: you can get one made to fit custon made Wildcat cases like a PPC, 6.8 SPC or even a 17 VHA. (if you can stand the wait!!) Savage doesn't make them so you go custom made. Other folks besides PT&G will also make custom (modified) cut bolt heads.
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I was wondering if they would be a viable option vs getting the firing pin hole bushed. I was getting some crater primering even on light loads and had Gretan bush the hole and it fixed the cratering. $80 for a bushing job vs ~$50 for a new PTG bolt head IF the firing pin hole is sized nice and tight. I have a PTG head in a box waiting I just have no way to measure the hole and nothing that needs a bolt head at the moment.
I've seen a few other posts over my time here about guys getter some primer cratering and the PTG Bolt Head Fixing their problem, but it is possible that Savage may opt to correct or sell you a new part as well. Also look at Gunshack (another sponsor of this site). I'm pretty sure the bolt heads they sell are OEM.
Most cratering is the result of the pin tip profile and or any chamfer around the pin hole when using Savage bolt heads. Without getting into the details, I take a light across the face and re-contour the pin tip from a taper to a radius as SOP.
Bill
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Already had Gre-Tan bush the stock bolt head. I was going to put in the PT&G just to see what happens but the rifle is shooting so well right now I'm not touching anything.
Just make sure with the PTG if you go that route you reset the headspace; from what I understand it is slightly longer/thicker lugs than the OEM version.
I've heard that as well. I haven't even opened the box it came in yet and looked at it. Built a new rifle and that's got all my interest right now.
actually the savage piece is stamped the ptg is machined. the ptg will be more square and less stress. good option if you are truing the action up
I had extraction problems with my 110BA for about 2 years. I sent it back to Savage 2 times and they worked on it, but did not fix the problem.
I bought a bolt head from Pacific tool (took 4 months to receive it), had is installed, check the head spacing, and compared the savage and the pacific bolt heads.
The savage was off in size from one side to the other about .02, the pacific was dead on, side to side.
I have run 200 rounds through the rifle since then and have not had 1 piece of brass fail to extract.
Some have said the Hornady Brass is too soft, for me it was a bolt head that was not made correctly.
Speaking of PTG, I ordered a couple of their bolt lift kits to try out. I'm interested in seeing if they will lighten up the lift on an already light lift bolt handle.
Any of you guys use their bottom metal & mag set up?
I just put a 300 Win Mag together and I'm thinking about adding the bottom metal & higher capacity mag.
Sorry OP....
I saw the PT&G name and had to ask while all the PT&G knowledgeable guys are here.
'Scuse me while I whip this out...!
I bought a PTG head for my Savage 12 which I converted to 6mm BR Norma. The bolt head is very nice looking; however, the diameter of the recess in the bolt face where the cartridge base fits is larger than the Savage factory part. The Savage part ejects the rounds properly. The PTG part, because it's larger, just drops the case in the receiver during extraction just as the case neck clears the chamber and I have to fish out the case by hand EVERY time. I contacted PTG about it and they said send it back. I sent them the dimensions, explaining that their part is significantly different from the Savage factory bolt face and asked if that was "normal" or not. In other words, did they possibly send me the wrong part or are all their "standard" (.473" diameter case base) bolt faces like the one they sent me.
That's important because if the part is the wrong one, I'd like to exchange it. On the other hand, if all the PTG bolt faces are made to the incorrect dimensions, then exchanging one bad part for another bad part makes no sense. The reason I wanted to find out about this is because I use this gun in competition and I hate for it to be out of commission any length of time. Plus, if I have to swap the factory bolt face in and then out again once I get the replacement part, that means I have to disassemble my rifle and set the head space twice rather than just once. I'd prefer to do it just once.
I even volunteered to purchase a second part and then get a refund later if they were worried about the value. Asking if the part dimensions I had on hand were the same as all the PTG heads or if mine was an error on their part which could be corrected was not an unreasonable request, at least in my view. Apparently PTG disagrees. "Send it back" is not what I wanted to hear, but now PTG refuses to answer my inquires about how to fix this problem.
Bottom line: They make nice looking parts and I have no doubt some of them function properly. But the one they sold me is defective and it doesn't work properly; i.e. it's unsatisfactory. Furthermore, they won't tell me if mine is unusual or if all their Savage 6mm (standard) bolt faces are made to the wrong dimension, in which case I would be wasting my time to exchange it. In other words, not only do PTG parts, in this instance anyway, suck, their customer service sucks too.
I suffered from the same experience with a PTG bolt head I purchased from classifieds in a gun forum. So I made made no argument with anyone. The PTG head was new and I paid top dollar. The measurements of the case head recess, ejector location and extractor location were all off a couple of thousandths here & there. The tolerance stack in this case caused drops. I remedied it with a new Savage head. I later fitted that head with one of my modified extractors and used it on another project. The modified extractors include moving the ball detent hole slightly outward and cutting the extractor under the case lip a smidge deeper. A couple of thousandths goes a long way to help hold on to a case till ejection is cleared.
Of coarse Savage Heads can be off in tolerance too.
I'm sorry to hear about every ones troubles. I have been happy with them.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.
The problem with primer cratering and blanking can usually be traced to excessive clearance between the firing pin and bolt head. If it measures more than .002 you'll likely have issues. On my factory new Savage 12FV in 223 that was blanking almost any factory or hand load, that clearance measured .007. I have several drill indexes and just found the drill that best fit the firing pin hole in the bolt head, measured that and measured the firing pin, which BTW is out of round by about a thou. or more.
I was able to purchase several firing pins from Savage and cherry pick one that fit best, eliminating the cratering and blanking issue.
Subsequent to that I had my other 223 bolt head bushed and that really seemed to improve groups.
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I am amazed to find out via fred that the factory ones are stronger. I wish fred would elaborate on what makes the factory bolthead stronger,is it powdered metal?
Willing to give back for what the sport has done for me!
I can't say with any authority what they're made of, but when I take a light cut across the face and or lugs it comes off like dust which would lead me to think they're machined and polished castings.
Some years ago the question was asked why there's a fillet( radius) at the junction of the shaft and lugs. My best guess, the same bit with a radiused tip was used to turn the shaft and lugs in the same setup.
Dunno!
Bill
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