Beware: 10FCP-SR has been changed

[Twinsen]

I ordered a Savage 10FCP-SR from Grabagun.com. I wanted a rifle with a light colored stock, 5/8x24 threaded muzzle, and AI style DBM. I got this standard Savage instead. They immediately refused my request for a refund or replacement, as I knew they would. I’ve become VERY cynical of this industry.



It’s missing the 20 MOA rail, camo stock, AI bottom metal and mag, and has a bigger bolt handle. I believe this is standard Savage DBM.




The magazine is marked as a Savage magazine. Rounds often stack instead of stagger and so jam up the follower. But even if you get in 10, you’re guaranteed to have to pull the mag out every couple shots and smack it to get the rounds to feed up or up-end the mag, shake the rounds out, and then have at the follower with a pen.



I’m thinking it’s just a rifle made from spare parts left over after killing off the 10 FCP-SR (for being too good of a rifle?). But the threads are loose and won’t hold a suppressor or the thread protector, so these may be reject parts. Item number is 22442 and somebody labelled the box 10 FCP-SR.

Beware these things may be floating around and being sold as 10 FCP-SRs. Don’t buy without a picture! The rifle isn't terrible, it's just not what I ordered. And the magazine and muzzle threads I guess are pretty bad.

Grabagun conveniently has no picture. Their automated system requested I review the rifle. I did, and they conveniently didn't post it.

[Hotolds442]

This isn't a "false" 10FCP-SR. It's the real deal, as now offered by Savage. They dropped the original 10FCP-SR from the Law Enforcement lineup, cheapened it up a bunch by installing their proprietary 10 round mag box, black Tupperware stock, and deleting the scope rail from the package, and gave it a new SKU number. While researching your post yesterday I googled Savage 22442 and within 30 seconds I knew the specs of the rifle. I knew it didn't use the AI mags, didn't have a scope rail, and came with a black stock. 30 seconds that would have probably saved you this headache. The vendor won't take it back probably because its exactly what was ordered, so now you're basically stuck with a turd. i don't believe that Savage has ever made a reliable plastic magazine, so as you've found, it isn't going to work for you. Your best bet is to move on, sell the imposter, and buy the original FCP-SR. You'll be much happier in the long run.

[Twinsen]

If I had known about the Savage model number system this wouldn't have happened.

When I saw the rifle wasn't light colored, I bought like $120 worth of duracoat. I also bought rings and an optic and all.

How often do 10 FCP-SR's show up for sale in the classifieds? No need to tell me if there is one right now. Maybe I'll go "paid member" in a couple hours from work.

I narrowed my choices down to the 10 FCP-SR and the FN PBR. But they both dried up. Ah, life.

[Hotolds442]

They don't show up often, and when they do they don't last long. Good luck in your quest to find the original though-when you get your hands on one I'm sure you won't have any complaints as they're a solid rifle.

[lowroad]

New member here. Same thing happened to me. The threads seem fine though and I prefer the black stock (it IS an accustock). The bottom metal was a bummer, for sure, but I'll order it from AI directly next week and sell the factory double stack 10 rounder on ebay, I guess. Mine came with a weaver rail attached, how do we know its's not 20 moa? I just assumed it was.

[Twinsen]

Me and a friend from another forum both bought one. He got his a week before me and measured it.

I'll order it from AI directly next week

How? You know your way around a mill?


ETA: I paid! Woo woo!

[lowroad]

Me and a friend from another forum both bought one. He got his a week before me and measured it.



How? You know your way around a mill?


ETA: I paid! Woo woo!

AI sells bottom metal for short action accustock. Its the OEM that comes on the rifle we thought we were getting. I cant think of a reason it would need milling.

How did you measure the scope base? It seems odd to me that it wouldn't be 20 moa since they clearly have (and use) them on the "other" fcp-sr, though I havent measured mine yet. I really think the only difference here is bottom metal and stock color. Oh, and the bolt knob, which I like.

[Twinsen]

I assumed the BM would require inletting.

[lowroad]

I assumed the BM would require inletting.

I'm fairly certain this is a 20 moa base. At least it appears that the back is a bit thicker (higher) than the front to my aging eyes. I will bust out the calipers on it tomorrow to comfirm.

[Twinsen]

I checked Accurate Mag's website and I believe I just read that their Savage DBM is drop-in and so requires no inletting. So for $206 I'll have good DBM, but still need to figure out the threads. I can get it cut back later and rethreaded. But that means going in to this rifle about $1,200, and over $1,300 including the paint and I'll have lost barrel length. If I get a real FCP-SR, it might also have Potato Threads.

I dunno. I sorta want to sell it and buy an FN/Winchester. It'll be about half as much money. And that's pretty funny to me because Savage is considered cheap. I mean, I'd rather have an FN than a Savage. But an FN plus $600 would be... I think I just made my mind up.

[Refractometer]

Just out of curiosity, did yours from Grabagun come with a fluted barrel and Accustock? Almost bought one last week, then held off. Thanks for your post, OP!

[Twinsen]

Yes sir. Fluted with accustock. No problem.

Update on the rifle: I put 200 rounds through it yesterday with a silencer. I had to retighten the can after every shot just about. It was very hard to get off due to fouling on the threads. If this continues, the threads might not be so sloppy. Also the magazine follower got stuck maybe once loading it and only 3 times in the rifle. Although it now only holds 9 rounds. Number 10 holds for a few seconds and then flings out.

I'd still keep your distance unless you plan to replace the barrel and the magazine.

[BoilerUP]

Looks like Savage (ATK?) took the 10TR, put light flutes in the barrel, gave it a 'high cap mag', and changed the name and model number.

OP,

would you mind throwing your rifle's serial number into the Partsfinder on the Savage Arms website and sharing with us the SKU of that factory 10rd magazine?

Gracias...

[Stockrex]

Op, this happened to me 2 years back, I bought a savage benchrest rifle off buds, their description was inaccurate, what I got did not match what they had on their website.
I refused to accept it and called buds, well then I found it out the dark side of buds, they have 1 guy taking care of returns and he was quite short and rude. Their 100% guarantee means the stuff in my little ones diapers. After being on hold for hours I finally made it through. I did get my money back but not all of it. I lost shipping and insurance etc.
lesson learned, I use my signature visa or amex to buy now.

One should use the savage model # as key to look up actual gun details, grab a gun page is limited in details. I see some review indicating that it is not the same gun as savage 19480.

[BoilerUP]

Here's an FCP-SR for sale I noticed today....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=462744812

[Twinsen]

Looks like Savage (ATK?) took the 10TR, put light flutes in the barrel, gave it a 'high cap mag', and changed the name and model number.

OP,

would you mind throwing your rifle's serial number into the Partsfinder on the Savage Arms website and sharing with us the SKU of that factory 10rd magazine?

Gracias...

Well, I would, but it appears I bought the ginger stepchild of the rifle world. Savage doesn't even want to think about it, let alone bring it to the zoo.

Op, this happened to me 2 years back, I bought a savage benchrest rifle off buds, their description was inaccurate, what I got did not match what they had on their website.
I refused to accept it and called buds, well then I found it out the dark side of buds, they have 1 guy taking care of returns and he was quite short and rude. Their 100% guarantee means the stuff in my little ones diapers. After being on hold for hours I finally made it through. I did get my money back but not all of it. I lost shipping and insurance etc.
lesson learned, I use my signature visa or amex to buy now.

One should use the savage model # as key to look up actual gun details, grab a gun page is limited in details. I see some review indicating that it is not the same gun as savage 19480.

They conveniently still haven't posted my review. Imagine. That.

Here's an FCP-SR for sale I noticed today....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=462744812

I already ordered DBM and duracoat... I'm so impatient! Also it says that is a 24" barrel, but they got a few other things wrong so maybe it's a 20".

[Twinsen]

I just got the Accurate Mag DBM and had some fun with it. The stock action screws are both far too short for this DBM, so all that BS that people have been reporting is total internet BS. The front action screw is about an inch too short*. The kit comes with longer screws for assembly. The front one is about 1/4-1/3" too long and interferes with the bolt lug. So maybe that means it's 1/3-1/2" too long. I just know it'd have to be 1/4-1/3" shorter to stop it from hitting the bolt lug.

Also I followed the torque directions posted in this forum and it destroyed my stock. The rear screw completely stripped out the plastic stock before I could hit 10 inch pounds, and the directions posted say to go to 40-45 inch pounds in 10 inch pound increments.

So the DBM doesn't work and the stock is ruined. Hoo-the-****-ray. I love this industry. Wrong gun, wrong screw, wrong directions. Just bend me over and stick whatever you want up there.

*edit, I measured and it's only 0.6" longer.

Front screw
Savage: 0.821" (too short to reach receiver)
AccurateMag: 1.411" (too long, blocks bolt)

Middle screw
Savage: 1.630"
AccurateMag: 1.9275"

[Twinsen]

Savage just stepped up the plate big time. I called them just now, supposedly 2 hours after they close. I got a nice lady on the phone and they're going to replace my stock for free.

I asked what the right torque spec is for this stock, and she looked it up and said 30 or 40 (I already forget) inch pounds. I told her there's no way that's correct, but she said the stock might just be defective. I dunno. I think the info is just for an older design of stock.

My Father was with me and said, "That is going to strip right out if you apply any torque at all." I told him I was just following destructions.

[BoilerUP]

You should probably get the new stock, then sell the rifle & DBM for what you can get, then buy that FCP-SR above.

It will be the only way you end up happy.

[Twinsen]

My plan is to get a shorter screw from Accurate Mag, then test the DBM for function.

Outcomes:
A - They don't have a shorter screw.
.......A1. - I cut this one short and the DBM doesn't function so I return the unit and sell the rifle.
.......A2. - I return the unit and sell the rifle.
B - They send me the correct screw and the DBM doesn't function and I sell the rifle.
C - They send me the correct scew and it works and every model, actress, and porn star in the world all fall in love with me and I am elected president.

C seems least likely.

[foxx]

Twin, I hate to tell you this, but some of this is your fault. The rear-most screw (behind the trigger guard) is NOT an action screw. It should not be removed unless you are removing the TG. When tightening it, there is absolutely no need to apply any kind of heavy torque to it at all. It's just a simple "wood" screw that is set into the plastic stock to keep the trigger guard from falling off the stock.

The action has only 2 screws. One in front of the trigger guard and one near the barrel lug.

I am glad Savage Customer Service is taking care of this for you, but, really, I think they went above and beyond.

I wish you better luck with the next one.

[Twinsen]

I am sure that you are correct, and I knew this was the case, but I decided I'd follow Savage's instructions. I'm very glad that they stepped up to correct what I deeply believe is their mistake that cost me time and energy.

I will be including a letter in the box to tell them to update their instructions. The four sets of instruction manuals that have come to me and my roommate have not applied to the four rifles they were shipped with. I believe it is because they change stuff so often that documentation cannot keep up.

I've come to the conclusion that I'll go through all the motions of trying to get this thing working before I sell it off. Since buying it, I've sunk $3,000 into a 110 FCP HS and 338 Lapua supplies. When that gun turns out to be a junker, I'ma go nuclear.

[Neoloki]

Hey there Twin and others!

This is the FCP-SR I have. It is a limited run and that is why it does not show up on the Savage parts finder, at least that is what Savage said. I bought mine at Cabelas, I am confused by yours having an Accustock though as Savage told me the Accustock does not fit the action.

The SN of your FCP-SR starts the same as mine with J6....

Like you it is not completely what I wanted. I did a ton of research and decided on the FCP-SR, went to the store and told them what I wanted. They pulled from the back and showed it to me, but in my haste and confidence of knowing what I wanted I missed the different mag and lack of Accuestock until I was home and adjusting the trigger.

Could you post some pictures of the action and stock disassembled? Also pictures of the damage done by the screw would be great.

So far mine is a great shooter, with M80 ammo 5rd groups .8 MOA at 100 yards with only 40 rounds though it.

I bedded my stock this weeked so when I go winter shooting in Feb I am hoping for .3-.5 MOA Groups.

-Neo

[Twinsen]

It came with a big sticker on the stock that said Accustock. Also it's got an aluminum backbone frame like a Miata or old Lotus so I assume that is an Accustock. It feels light but also stiff. My only complaint is the grip angle, because I prefer pistol grips.

My FN that is very accurate otherwise shoots PPU milsurp to 3 or 3.5 MOA. This Savage shoots it to 1.5 MOA reliably over 100 rounds so I sighted it in for that stuff. Why not?

The screw pulled the plastic right out. It's a sheet metal screw or a wood screw. I don't know the difference.

[Twinsen]

Accurate mag said to hacksaw the bolt. Off to the hardware store.