Beware: 10FCP-SR has been changed

Twinsen · 01-03-2015, 10:19 AM

I ordered a Savage 10FCP-SR from Grabagun.com. I wanted a rifle with a light colored stock, 5/8x24 threaded muzzle, and AI style DBM. I got this standard Savage instead. They immediately refused my request for a refund or replacement, as I knew they would. I’ve become VERY cynical of this industry.

It’s missing the 20 MOA rail, camo stock, AI bottom metal and mag, and has a bigger bolt handle. I believe this is standard Savage DBM.

The magazine is marked as a Savage magazine. Rounds often stack instead of stagger and so jam up the follower. But even if you get in 10, you’re guaranteed to have to pull the mag out every couple shots and smack it to get the rounds to feed up or up-end the mag, shake the rounds out, and then have at the follower with a pen.

I’m thinking it’s just a rifle made from spare parts left over after killing off the 10 FCP-SR (for being too good of a rifle?). But the threads are loose and won’t hold a suppressor or the thread protector, so these may be reject parts. Item number is 22442 and somebody labelled the box 10 FCP-SR.

Beware these things may be floating around and being sold as 10 FCP-SRs. Don’t buy without a picture! The rifle isn't terrible, it's just not what I ordered. And the magazine and muzzle threads I guess are pretty bad.

Grabagun conveniently has no picture. Their automated system requested I review the rifle. I did, and they conveniently didn't post it.

**Hotolds442** · 01-03-2015, 12:43 PM

This isn't a "false" 10FCP-SR. It's the real deal, as now offered by Savage. They dropped the original 10FCP-SR from the Law Enforcement lineup, cheapened it up a bunch by installing their proprietary 10 round mag box, black Tupperware stock, and deleting the scope rail from the package, and gave it a new SKU number. While researching your post yesterday I googled Savage 22442 and within 30 seconds I knew the specs of the rifle. I knew it didn't use the AI mags, didn't have a scope rail, and came with a black stock. 30 seconds that would have probably saved you this headache. The vendor won't take it back probably because its exactly what was ordered, so now you're basically stuck with a turd. i don't believe that Savage has ever made a reliable plastic magazine, so as you've found, it isn't going to work for you. Your best bet is to move on, sell the imposter, and buy the original FCP-SR. You'll be much happier in the long run.

Twinsen · 01-03-2015, 03:45 PM

If I had known about the Savage model number system this wouldn't have happened.

When I saw the rifle wasn't light colored, I bought like $120 worth of duracoat. I also bought rings and an optic and all.

How often do 10 FCP-SR's show up for sale in the classifieds? No need to tell me if there is one right now. Maybe I'll go "paid member" in a couple hours from work.

I narrowed my choices down to the 10 FCP-SR and the FN PBR. But they both dried up. Ah, life.

woodworker308 · 03-09-2016, 02:01 PM

I have one in excellent shape with original box and all ill be listing on gbroker this week shot very little, have little time to enjoy it while building a new house.

Originally Posted by Twinsen

If I had known about the Savage model number system this wouldn't have happened.

When I saw the rifle wasn't light colored, I bought like $120 worth of duracoat. I also bought rings and an optic and all.

How often do 10 FCP-SR's show up for sale in the classifieds? No need to tell me if there is one right now. Maybe I'll go "paid member" in a couple hours from work.

I narrowed my choices down to the 10 FCP-SR and the FN PBR. But they both dried up. Ah, life.

**Hotolds442** · 01-03-2015, 06:19 PM

They don't show up often, and when they do they don't last long. Good luck in your quest to find the original though-when you get your hands on one I'm sure you won't have any complaints as they're a solid rifle.

lowroad · 01-03-2015, 06:35 PM

New member here. Same thing happened to me. The threads seem fine though and I prefer the black stock (it IS an accustock). The bottom metal was a bummer, for sure, but I'll order it from AI directly next week and sell the factory double stack 10 rounder on ebay, I guess. Mine came with a weaver rail attached, how do we know its's not 20 moa? I just assumed it was.

Twinsen · 01-03-2015, 08:40 PM

Me and a friend from another forum both bought one. He got his a week before me and measured it.

Originally Posted by lowroad

I'll order it from AI directly next week

How? You know your way around a mill?

ETA: I paid! Woo woo!

lowroad · 01-03-2015, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Twinsen

Me and a friend from another forum both bought one. He got his a week before me and measured it.

How? You know your way around a mill?

ETA: I paid! Woo woo!

AI sells bottom metal for short action accustock. Its the OEM that comes on the rifle we thought we were getting. I cant think of a reason it would need milling.

How did you measure the scope base? It seems odd to me that it wouldn't be 20 moa since they clearly have (and use) them on the "other" fcp-sr, though I havent measured mine yet. I really think the only difference here is bottom metal and stock color. Oh, and the bolt knob, which I like.

Twinsen · 01-03-2015, 10:36 PM

I assumed the BM would require inletting.

**BoilerUP** · 01-06-2015, 11:46 AM

Looks like Savage (ATK?) took the 10TR, put light flutes in the barrel, gave it a 'high cap mag', and changed the name and model number.

OP,

would you mind throwing your rifle's serial number into the Partsfinder on the Savage Arms website and sharing with us the SKU of that factory 10rd magazine?

Gracias...

Twinsen · 01-11-2015, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Looks like Savage (ATK?) took the 10TR, put light flutes in the barrel, gave it a 'high cap mag', and changed the name and model number.

OP,

would you mind throwing your rifle's serial number into the Partsfinder on the Savage Arms website and sharing with us the SKU of that factory 10rd magazine?

Gracias...

Well, I would, but it appears I bought the ginger stepchild of the rifle world. Savage doesn't even want to think about it, let alone bring it to the zoo.

Originally Posted by Stockrex

Op, this happened to me 2 years back, I bought a savage benchrest rifle off buds, their description was inaccurate, what I got did not match what they had on their website.
I refused to accept it and called buds, well then I found it out the dark side of buds, they have 1 guy taking care of returns and he was quite short and rude. Their 100% guarantee means the stuff in my little ones diapers. After being on hold for hours I finally made it through. I did get my money back but not all of it. I lost shipping and insurance etc.
lesson learned, I use my signature visa or amex to buy now.

One should use the savage model # as key to look up actual gun details, grab a gun page is limited in details. I see some review indicating that it is not the same gun as savage 19480.

They conveniently still haven't posted my review. Imagine. That.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Here's an FCP-SR for sale I noticed today....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=462744812

I already ordered DBM and duracoat... I'm so impatient! Also it says that is a 24" barrel, but they got a few other things wrong so maybe it's a 20".

Twinsen · 01-12-2015, 06:16 PM

I just got the Accurate Mag DBM and had some fun with it. The stock action screws are both far too short for this DBM, so all that BS that people have been reporting is total internet BS. The front action screw is about an inch too short*. The kit comes with longer screws for assembly. The front one is about 1/4-1/3" too long and interferes with the bolt lug. So maybe that means it's 1/3-1/2" too long. I just know it'd have to be 1/4-1/3" shorter to stop it from hitting the bolt lug.

Also I followed the torque directions posted in this forum and it destroyed my stock. The rear screw completely stripped out the plastic stock before I could hit 10 inch pounds, and the directions posted say to go to 40-45 inch pounds in 10 inch pound increments.

So the DBM doesn't work and the stock is ruined. Hoo-the-****-ray. I love this industry. Wrong gun, wrong screw, wrong directions. Just bend me over and stick whatever you want up there.

*edit, I measured and it's only 0.6" longer.

Front screw
Savage: 0.821" (too short to reach receiver)
AccurateMag: 1.411" (too long, blocks bolt)

Middle screw
Savage: 1.630"
AccurateMag: 1.9275"

**Stockrex** · 01-06-2015, 02:12 PM

Op, this happened to me 2 years back, I bought a savage benchrest rifle off buds, their description was inaccurate, what I got did not match what they had on their website.
I refused to accept it and called buds, well then I found it out the dark side of buds, they have 1 guy taking care of returns and he was quite short and rude. Their 100% guarantee means the stuff in my little ones diapers. After being on hold for hours I finally made it through. I did get my money back but not all of it. I lost shipping and insurance etc.
lesson learned, I use my signature visa or amex to buy now.

One should use the savage model # as key to look up actual gun details, grab a gun page is limited in details. I see some review indicating that it is not the same gun as savage 19480.

**BoilerUP** · 01-11-2015, 11:26 AM

Here's an FCP-SR for sale I noticed today....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=462744812

brianlpowers · 03-05-2015, 05:57 PM

I was actually looking into buying this new version of the 10 FCP-SR. After reading reviews of the previous generation of this rifle, I was very interested in this newer and supposedly improved version.
After reading your post, I sucked it up and went for the 10 FCP McMillan - I'm glad that your misfortune with this rifle was able to steer me away from it.

**swadiver** · 03-05-2015, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by brianlpowers

I was actually looking into buying this new version of the 10 FCP-SR. After reading reviews of the previous generation of this rifle, I was very interested in this newer and supposedly improved version.
After reading your post, I sucked it up and went for the 10 FCP McMillan - I'm glad that your misfortune with this rifle was able to steer me away from it.

I am curious, why glad? if you get the right version of the rifle (the non Cabelas bargain basement model) it is a fine shooter. at $625, even if you want Accuracy International bottom metal and mags, it is still quite cheaper than the 10 FCP McMillian (which i am sure is a fine rifle)

psode27 · 03-06-2015, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by swadiver

I am curious, why glad? if you get the right version of the rifle (the non Cabelas bargain basement model) it is a fine shooter. at $625, even if you want Accuracy International bottom metal and mags, it is still quite cheaper than the 10 FCP McMillian (which i am sure is a fine rifle)

That was my feeling. Its cheap and sounds like it shoots well. IF the need arises (it will Haha) to upgrade to aics rbm its still not terribly expensive. Honestly I think if I look for improvements later on, the chassis option that already in operates the AICS mags probably makes more sense. While I'm not thrilled about the savage mags, they will probably work well enough in the mean time.
That being said, I don't think you can go wrong either way by the sounds of it! The McMillans look awesome, enjoy your rifle!

cs87 · 03-06-2015, 10:28 PM

Hi all, new to the forum and to savages/bolt guns in general. I've been doing some research on these and have seen the good and bad from this 2015 model from everyone's reviews and experiences. I am currently on a waiting list at Cabelas for the cheaper non-accustock model at the sale price, if I end up going through with this I plan on getting a new stock for it and probably the upgraded bottom metal/mag; this will be mainly a target/range rifle with possible hunting in its future. My question to everyone with some more experience is: would these upgrades fit right on with no/minimal problems and make this rifle more reliable with minimal work? Or should I just try to find one with the accustock as its only $100 more and leave it as is or would I still want to do the bottom metal upgrade? I've figured the price on either route would be about the same in the end depending on what stock I decide on and with adding the bottom metal to both. sorry for all the questions just trying to get my facts in order before making a purchase I may regret later though it seems people with the accustock model are pretty happy, so is it just the stock thats the problem or worse parts in general? Thanks in advance for the help.

PaShooter · 08-16-2015, 10:40 PM

Hello all! First post here. I am considering the 10 fcp-sr models 22442 or 22441. Am i correct that if I bought one of these rifles and added the accurate mag bottom metal and 20 moa base it would basically be the same rifle (minus the digital camo of course) as the 2013 model?

also to anyone who owns this rifle would you recommend the 20" or 24" barrel. I do mostly target steel shooting. I was thinking about the 20" because I may add a suppressor in the future and didn't want a really long OAL barrel.

thanks everyone

Twinsen · 09-03-2015, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by PaShooter

Hello all! First post here. I am considering the 10 fcp-sr models 22442 or 22441. Am i correct that if I bought one of these rifles and added the accurate mag bottom metal and 20 moa base it would basically be the same rifle (minus the digital camo of course) as the 2013 model?

I doubt the muzzle threading on the 2013 models was as bad as this. But maybe only mine were cut with a potato as a lathe bit.

Originally Posted by PaShooter

also to anyone who owns this rifle would you recommend the 20" or 24" barrel. I do mostly target steel shooting. I was thinking about the 20" because I may add a suppressor in the future and didn't want a really long OAL barrel.

thanks everyone

I've migrated to a 24" barrel on everything because faster means easier. My Savage is a 20" barrel, and with a 9.5" suppressor, barely fits in all of my rifle cases. My 24" guns do not and I have to take the cans on and off for travel. HOWEVER, if the Savage accustock was not made with midget LOP, it wouldn't fit with the can on either. There's like 1 inch of space. So the moment I swap to a chassis or decent stock, it won't be an advantage anymore.

benellibill · 03-10-2016, 09:56 PM

OK guys, Gonna jump on into this thread and hopefully get my head wrapped around this mess. First, I am new here but not to weapons and shooting. I spent quite a few years in the Army but not enough to retire. I am also new to Savage and add to that, new to bolt guns. Im a big AR nut but want to change it up a bit so after, like many here, doing a good bit of research on the web (I know, not the best place to do "research") I thought I had found a decent place to start my new project, the Savage 10FCP-SR in .308. Whoa, then I found this thread. How did I not find this thread before buying, I don't know. Now, I noticed that a good portion of the thread is a few years old. How they got any of the issues brought to light here fixed? Mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow. Its a new, in the box FCP with the accu-trigger and accu-stock, 10 round box mag and that big, clunky looking bolt handle. The model number is 22441 and the serial number is J978371. Can anyone decipher any info by using either or both of these numbers? I plugged the serial into Savage's website and got a parts diagram for replacement parts, is that all that is supposed to come up?
Now, I may or may not keep the gun, bought from GunBroker for a really decent price so I hope it doesn't have the symptoms described here though I don't have real high hopes, I guess Im just cynical that way and then if it doesn't then I will just be pleasantly surprised. I do have a backup plan though if it does turn out to be a lemon. I walked into a local gunstore and found a 10FCP-HS .308 for the same price as I paid for the SR. The store owner said he just got it in on consignment and being that I live in a very small town he of course knows the current owner, and the gun. The store owner says the gun has had less than 100 rounds through it and the condition of the gun reflects very little use and great care. The bore is just beautiful, locking lugs are near pristine, bolt shows no binding wear and everything functions just as it should. I wasn't able to make it there in time today but called the store and asked if he still had the gun and he said he did so Im going there tomorrow. I did get the serial number while there, it is J197576 if that helps anyone determine exactly what this is, I would appreciate any info anyone may have to pass along.

I have found a source for what are supposed to be really high quality mags, Dark Eagle Custom. Theyre pricey but if I have to go that route I will. He even makes really cool MOLLE pouches for them, just for them, and an extended mag release.
I don't want to hi-jack the thread but how does everyone think the 10HS compare to the 10 SR? I mean, its the same price and near mint, well, it is mint condition. I just don't want to end up pouring 3K into what I was hoping to be a 1500$ project and then still only end up with a gun not worth either of those figures. I already have the scope, Bushnell elite tactical 6-24x50 30mm tube and a Warne 20MOA base with Warne Tactical rings. I like this set-up and have used it in the past. I just don't know which gun I will put it on.
Im not asking anyone to buy my next rifle for me but I am looking for wisdom. I am very new to bolt guns. ANy help out there? I guess I should have said this earlier, but I intend to use this whichever one I buy strictly as a paper puncher. SO, is it the 10SR or the 10HS??? Im personally leaning towards the HS but that depends on what I hear here. You guys seem pretty passionate, and pretty honest with your opinions and experiences.
And by the way, hello to all of you.

**ivob** · 03-11-2016, 09:52 AM

I have the same rifle as you serial number J554405 which I purchased last November - I have not had the opportunity to shoot it yet but have cycled my rounds through the gun without any problems - the magazine works well. Overall it feels well built - my advice would be to shoot it and keep it.

Twinsen · 01-12-2015, 06:56 PM

Savage just stepped up the plate big time. I called them just now, supposedly 2 hours after they close. I got a nice lady on the phone and they're going to replace my stock for free.

I asked what the right torque spec is for this stock, and she looked it up and said 30 or 40 (I already forget) inch pounds. I told her there's no way that's correct, but she said the stock might just be defective. I dunno. I think the info is just for an older design of stock.

My Father was with me and said, "That is going to strip right out if you apply any torque at all." I told him I was just following destructions.

**BoilerUP** · 01-12-2015, 07:06 PM

You should probably get the new stock, then sell the rifle & DBM for what you can get, then buy that FCP-SR above.

It will be the only way you end up happy.

Twinsen · 01-12-2015, 07:25 PM

My plan is to get a shorter screw from Accurate Mag, then test the DBM for function.

Outcomes:
A - They don't have a shorter screw.
.......A1. - I cut this one short and the DBM doesn't function so I return the unit and sell the rifle.
.......A2. - I return the unit and sell the rifle.
B - They send me the correct screw and the DBM doesn't function and I sell the rifle.
C - They send me the correct scew and it works and every model, actress, and porn star in the world all fall in love with me and I am elected president.

C seems least likely.