Summary of what we know:
-220F and 110/111 bottom metal are not the same size. The 110 is longer and the 220F appears to be inlet further back. 220F bottom metal will not be drop-in in a 110 DBM stock.
-220F and 110 action screw spacing is the same.
-220F and 110 receiver diameters are the same.
-One person in this thread has inlet a Featherweight Thumbhole blind mag stock for a 220F. Invoice listed "FEATHERWEIGHT THUMBHOLE SAVAGE® 110 BLIND MAG LONG ACTION CENTERFEED FACTORY BARREL CHANNEL PEPPER LAMINATE". Barrel channel was opened and bottom metal was inlet.
-Boyd's has said that the Classic barrel channel can be opened up to 0.920" without weakening the forend too much.
-220F barrel channel is about 1.0".
Original post below:
I've found bits of info here and there pointing to a 110 DBM stock. Can anyone confirm or deny? I know for sure the receiver diameters and screw spacing are the same, I'd just like to know if I can get the DBM and avoid a lot of inletting or if I have to get a blind mag centerfeed and start cutting.
Jim
Last edited by JimTh; 10-16-2013 at 11:44 AM. Reason: Summarize info
Hey Jim just got your message. I went with the boyds thumbole. I just copied the description that was on my online reciept. I took it to a gunsmith and he said it was a little work but it wasn't too much of a challenge. It looks and feels great. I'll get a pic up as soon as I can
FEATHERWEIGHT THUMBHOLE SAVAGE® 110 BLIND MAG LONG ACTION CENTERFEED FACTORY BARREL CHANNEL PEPPER LAMINATE
So I can order a Boyd's stock for a 110 w/ DBM and use it on my Savage 220 20 ga. slug gun? I'm sure the barrel channel would have to be opened up but what else? I can't stand the cheapo on it from the factory and the 220 stock that Boyd's lists is not the slug gun.
The one I listed worked perfectly. He had to open up the barrel channel but I cant remember what else
I don't like thumbholes at all because I shoot from both shoulders and my 220 has a DBM and I assume you had to dig wood out to accommodate that. But now Boyd's offers stocks that are opened for DBM's. I would want a classic style with DBM. Looks like I'm going to have to call Boyd's and see if it's the same. I'd love to have my slugger in a laminated stock.Originally Posted by dlesh04
I just compared my model 12 VLP bottom metal to my 220 bottom metal, same width, 220 is a bit longer not surprisingly but the 12 fit right in the hole in the 220. Makes me think Savage is using the same bottom metal, just a different length. I think I'll call Savage Monday and ask if the 220 uses 110 bottom metal. The barrel channel will have to be opened up a lot. 220 stock channel is about 1" wide, Boyds shows .750".
Any chance you could post pics dlesh? I'd like to see how your smith handled the barrel channel. I'd also like to see how the pepper looks. Can't decide if I want pepper or nutmeg.
Jim
I just compared the bottom metal of my 220 vs. my 111. The 111 bottom metal is longer than the 220. The bottom metal on the 220 does look to be about the same length as that of a short action. So if I ordered a stock for a long action that is inletted for a DBM then the hole in the bottom of the stock will be too long.
Is the screw spacing the same? Boyd's shows 5 1/16" for the 111 and the 110 and they use the same picture for the two stocks.
For reference:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...pics/6353093/5
I guess it takes hours to get a post with a web address approved...
Here's what I was trying to put up:
Info from a post at 24hourcampfire, poster says McMillan sent this to him.
"{There is}only have one stock option at this time. Stocks for the new Savages with the factory detachable box magazine floorplates must have a molded in recess in the bottom of the stock to accommodate this floorplate. In a sporting/hunting type stock we only have a version of the HTG stock for this purpose. We do inlet for the Model 220 slug gun. It is fitted for the standard factory DBM floorplate, and we do suggest you send in your barreled action for fitting as we do not have one for this purpose."
Well, a Savage rep told me no, but honestly I think I only had about half of his attention. He did try to tell me that he's never heard of someone putting a 220F in a Boyds. I know of two for sure, including dlesh here. I've been in contact with Boyd's on Facebook and they are supposed to take the measurements I gave them from my 220F magazine frame and compare them to their 110 DBM stock inletting.
Only because you had less than 10 posts when you made it which meant you were still in your probationary period and any posts with links would get flagged for moderator approval. Sorry we're not here 24/7 to be at your beckon-call, but we staff members happen to have lives to and *gasp* like to enjoy a little time off on the weekends the same as you do.
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Sorry guys that I haven't replied. Been busy and been out hunting. I have one pic of the doe and my 220 and I but its not a great pic. I'll try and get a pic of my 220 itself tomorrow.
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Nice dlesh!
I did email McMillan and they said the bottom metals are different lengths. That matches what goinssr said above. So I'm wondering what that means then... The action screw spacing is supposed to be the same, but the 220 metal is shorter...so would I just have a gap at the front of the 220 metal?
Hard for me to get a really good pic but heres a better one. My gunsmith said my gun stock worked perfectly cept he had to widen the barrel channel. I thank you can get a Boyds without the thumbhole for the 110.
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To clarify....you used a stock for a blind magazine 110 and had your gunsmith inlet it for the bottom metal and open the barrel channel?
Goinssr,
Could you describe the differences a between your 111 and 220 a bit more? Will the 220 metal fit in the 111 inlet? Is there a gap left at the front? Screw holes line up?
Measure your screw holes. The 111 stocks are 5.062. If yours are 5.062 then the 111 stocks will work without changing the screw holes. If your bottom metal fits a 5.062 screw spacing then you are looking at a go.
The screw spacing between the 220 and the 110/111/112/114, etc. are the same. The bottom metal on the 111, etc. is longer than the 220 bottom metal is. So it looks to me like you could just get a stock for a blind box magazine 111, etc. and inlet it for the 220 bottom metal, open the barrel channel and lay that thing in there. That's my plan. Anyone see something that will shoot holes in it?
Edit::: Here is a pic of my 111 and 220 side by side. 111 is on the right and the 220 on the left. You can see that the screw spacing on both is 5.069 (per my caliper) but the 111 just has more metal forward of the front action screw. I hope this helps and answers a few questions that some may have. Looks as if Savage should have used the 110 series bottom metal on the 220 and saved money by not having to introduce another SKU into the system and not have had to tool up for the new part.
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Last edited by goinssr; 10-07-2013 at 07:47 PM.
I had no experience with the 220 but plenty with the 110 and 10. From what I see you will need to buy a blind mag Center feed long action stock and have it inleted to fit your bottom metal. I don't think there is any other answer.
Here is one option
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/produc...=9422&cat=1223
You could order one that is inleted and use a filler to cover up the openings.
Perfect! That finally answers my question. If I'm willing to deal with the gap, I don't have to do a full inletting. Now I just have to make a decision.
It is a little easier if you have all the data. Stepping out on a limb you are breaking some new ground and others will follow goinssr and you.
This is the one you would want.
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/produc...19162&cat=1223
Last edited by stangfish; 10-07-2013 at 08:37 PM.
Just got off the phone with Boyd's. I believe we'll have to use the Featherweight Thumbhole. The Classic doesn't have enough wood on the sides to open up the barrel channel. The two successful projects I've seen (dlesh and one on snipershide I think) both used the wide style forend. The lady said the sides would be too weak. I guess if you were willing to take the sides all the way off and have an exposed barrel you could try it.
I'm just about set on going the Featherweight Thumbhole DBM route right now. I think I can cut a piece of aluminum or stainless to go just ahead of the bottom metal to fill the gap and look good. I just don't have time for inletting right now.
Well, this is NOT good news for me. I do not like thumbhole stocks and won't have one. I'm a right hander but shoot left handed. When I'm hunting I want to be able to shoot from either shoulder depending which side the animal comes in on. Thumbholes are okay for bench shooting but for me they have no place on a hunting rifle. I was wanting to do this on a Classic or maybe a Prairie Hunter model.
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