Hello everyone, I seem to shoot 2 consistent groups. IE: two shots will cut and then the next two will cut, but be an inch lower in the exact same pattern. I can't tell if its me flinching consistently or of it is the optics or mounts?
I have the rifle bedded in a bell and Carlson medalist stock with aluminum bedding block. It's a 300wby cartridge.
Optics are burris 6-24x44 signature scope. It has their forever warrantee.
I am not sure on the base and rings as I bought the rifle used.
It still shoots sub MOA, but if that issue was able to get squared away I should be able to shoot a 4 shot group at .30" instead of 1.0" at 100 yards. I have tried different hand loads and it doesn't seem to matter. I can never get all 4 to cut. They are always the same pattern, just the second 2 are ALWAYS 1" low.
Once I get enough posts to attach a picture I will.
A couple thoughts;
Try having someone else shoot your rifle to see if the issue goes away.
Also, I didnt see where you discussed your ammo. Is it commercial, or reloads? If commercial, try another brand. If reloads, try adjusting your load. I like the OCW load development method, but a lot of folks like the ladder method. Either way, give it a try.
Good luck.
Sean
You didn't mention anything about your rifle either. Sporter barrels firing shots one right after another would not suprise me if it does what you describe.
Two minutes between shots to let the barrel cool.
The rifle is actually a weatherby Mark V with 28" barrel and muzzle break.
I posted here as it gets more traffic and I own savage as well. :)
My hand loads are not the issue. I have had my father shoot my rifle and he can shoot consistent 4 shot groups at 100 under .50 with his Remington 700 SPS and nightforce optics.
He shoots exactly where I shoot with my rifle. So I would say its not shooter error at this point.
Someone suggested that I remove all the stock screws, magazine and base plate and see if there is any wiggle room length wise in the action area as my rifle may need to be bedded in my bell and Carlson stock if it wiggles. I will give that a try to tonight.
So your loads shoot great in you fathers gun that is a Remington so you are sure that the loads are not the problem? Your gun is a weatherby. Which gun shot the .5 group?
This comment makes my head spin
My hand loads are not the issue. I have had my father shoot my rifle and he can shoot consistent 4 shot groups at 100 under .50 with his Remington 700 SPS and nightforce optics.
My fathers gun shoots .5. His is a .300 WSM. I guess what I'm trying to say is I can shoot his gun accurately and he shoots his gun accurately at .5 at 100. When either of us shoot mine it's always 1" with stacked 2 shot groups. Pictures would be worth 1000 words.
OK now I gotcha. What is your load?
180gn TTSX
81.5 gns H-4831sc
Weatherby Brass
Fed GM215M primer
COAL 3.725
220gn Hornady
66gns IMR4831
Weatherby Brass
Fed GM215M primer
COAL 3.589"
Both loads shoot exactly the same way.
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/4431/idl0.jpg
Last edited by 1983Weatherby; 06-17-2013 at 05:29 PM.
I'm still looking for the caliber of your weatherby. I have searched and searched.
Last edited by stangfish; 06-17-2013 at 06:27 PM.
300 weatherby cartridge.
Let me know if you can view the pic.
No such limitation exists. Try reading this: http://www.savageshooters.com/forumd...Help-and-FAQ-sOriginally Posted by 1983Weatherby
Lots of good information, including how to post photos.
When you are posting and the cursor is in the position you want it do this
Then This
Oh, I'm on my iPhone using tappatalk. It may just be a mobile limitation on this forum. Once I get home I will post the pic.
I'm sending my burris scope off since its covered under warrantee. I will switch to a near picitanny base with burris XTR rings in the process.
That way I can eliminate one more thing...
Stock bedding + potential scope wear and tear... Bedding is very important on a high recoil rifle. As is the grip of the rifle itself.
Dont forget action screw torque too.
Torque can be checked with a torque wrench (if the person owns one). But bedding or rifle grip ? No tool to measure that....
Here is the picture of the rifle in question... It's a great looking rifle, just wish it was more accurate.
Ok, so after removing the scope from the rifle I found a plastic shim in the front scope ring... Not only was it a poor shim... Made out of a hard plastic but the tube was also scuffed up pretty bad from over tightening on the rear ring. So I think I have tracked down the problem.
Looks like a backyard gunsmith attempt to level the scope?
New rings and base will be on the way! Also sent the scope out to Burris. So I should be all squared away once everything gets back.
Thanks for all the help. When you buy a used rifle and it isn't shooting as intended I know now to remove the scope to check for idiotic mistakes.
before tapered bases became available we used to shim them all the time. im talking bases now not rings.
shimming rings is pretty common also but it should be done properly.
we used to have a beagle that would only chase 2 rabbits and then quit.
next day he would chase 2 more. maybe that approach would work for your gun.
a good group is a good group. no need to tell anybody how long it took. lol
A rifle with that much recoil as any other rifle would benifit from lapping the rings. I would want as much contact as I could get. You realy should try Warne Rings.
Last edited by stangfish; 06-18-2013 at 11:08 AM.
With the muzzle brake the recoil is about the same as a .270. It really isn't bad now. I will have my gunsmith make me a custom rail and go with either XTR burris rings or warne rings.
Ok, so I bought a EWR rail and warne quick detach rings in medium height. Now I just have to decide if I lap the rings myself or take it to a gunsmith.
im 78 years old. ive been using hunting scopes for about 60 years. untill just a couple
years back there was very little talk about lapping scope rings. but now im feeling
guilty because of never doing the right thing and lap scope rings. so last year i sent
to midway and bought a scope ring lapping kit. i couldnt wait till it arrived so i could start
making amends. the first set of rings i tried was perfect and didnt need lapping.
ditto for the second set. i have lots of guns and dont really want to remove all those scopes.
they seem to shoot ok anyway so im thinking about trying to get away without doing it.
at least i bought the tools. maybe i can just give a thumbs up when guys ask.
but then it would also give me an oppurtunity to install the scopes properly.
.
I meant EGW base. Sorry for the typo.
Yeah, on their site it states that you shouldn't have to lap the Warne rings. I wish I just had the Barstock alignment tool to check prior to mounting the scope.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks