.17 Hornet Off to Factory

[JLShipley]

This last time gun was at Gunsmith, checked out the Headspace, over 1/4 "off, that seems to be the main reason, I'm having trouble extracting the spent shell. I'm also getting expansion of the case, about 1/4 " above primer, looks like a ring, resizing die takes care of it during reloads. Could be barrel was not threaded in enough or headspace was machine wrong.

Maybe new gun, or Barrel, I'll keep all informed, and get more details.

I know they'll take care of it, just seems it been a never ending story with this gun.
Jim

Yet, it shoots like a Tack driver.........

[davemuzz]

Well Jim....once you get it back it should be a lifetime keeper!!

Let us know.

Dave

[plinkin]

I'll be watching. Meanwhile my 3rd model 25 is en route. Not that I am getting as a replacement, just adding a caliber.

[robert de]

Jim I seen the same ring on my 17 hornet was just wondering what you found out about that issue on your rifle. Thanks Robert . Also Jim What was your best working reload? If you don't mind telling me.

[JLShipley]

Jim I seen the same ring on my 17 hornet was just wondering what you found out about that issue on your rifle. Thanks Robert . Also Jim What was your best working reload? If you don't mind telling me.

H110 , 20 V-Max 9.5 gr 35 to 3600 FPS.................. Still have not gotten full answer from Savage, they have gun, seems either going to redo barrel or replace complete gun, will keep all advised....
Jim

My other new gun, just back from GS , trigger pull set at 2.5 lbs...action B/P and barrel crown redone, should shot 3/4" groups all day.

[robert de]

H110 , 20 V-Max 9.5 gr 35 to 3600 FPS.................. Still have not gotten full answer from Savage, they have gun, seems either going to redo barrel or replace complete gun, will keep all advised....
Jim

My other new gun, just back from GS , trigger pull set at 2.5 lbs...action B/P and barrel crown redone, should shot 3/4" groups all day.

That will take the smile off a squirrels lips at 200yds!

[davemuzz]

I have some H-110 in the powder cabinet. I'll give it a try and see if I can burn the barrel out even faster!!! IMHO, I think all barrels in all guns should be worn out. That's a true indication that your shooting just enough to keep you busy!!!

Dave

[JLShipley]

You want to run them through the FL sizer die, so far only ten cases that were not reloadable do to cracking of case, these were all re-loads, and loaded at the minimum for powder.
Many bulging of the lower case about 1/4 above primer ,this was due to bullet not seating against the barrel. and nature of the best.
Take it to a G/S to have checked out, mine wrote up letter with gun return.
Just started reloading o/f/brass, 225 all primer, 9.4 gr H110 with a 20 gr V Max. also have 200 rounds of .223 to do w/BLC2

[robert de]

I measured my case length after 2 reloads 2.530 looks like they have stretched about .018 I don't think they will male another reload. What length were your cases when you noticed cracking I'm pretty sure I'll have to send this gun back also. Seems some savage comes good some do not. I Have 5 first 6-5-284 had 6inch of rifling missing they had me a new gun in a week the next one was great . no. 2 youth 7.08 great gun shoots 3/4 groups 3rd 6.5 longrange it went back they fixed extraction but gun not up to par. 4th 17 hornet now looks like it will go back. 5th 17hmr this is a good gun. It seems that we have to do the quality control and I think a lot never get sent back do to lack of knowledge. But I still buy savage hopeful they will fix this one.

[JLShipley]

I measured my case length after 2 reloads 2.530 looks like they have stretched about .018 I don't think they will male another reload. What length were your cases when you noticed cracking I'm pretty sure I'll have to send this gun back also. Seems some savage comes good some do not. I Have 5 first 6-5-284 had 6inch of rifling missing they had me a new gun in a week the next one was great . no. 2 youth 7.08 great gun shoots 3/4 groups 3rd 6.5 longrange it went back they fixed extraction but gun not up to par. 4th 17 hornet now looks like it will go back. 5th 17hmr this is a good gun. It seems that we have to do the quality control and I think a lot never get sent back do to lack of knowledge. But I still buy savage hopeful they will fix this one.

What are you trimming the 1ST fired brass to? Are we talking .17 Hornet.....
My trim is 1.340 to 1.350, COL 1.714 with a 20 gr V-Max

[robert de]

What are you trimming the 1ST fired brass to? Are we talking .17 Hornet.....
My trim is 1.340 to 1.350, COL 1.714 with a 20 gr V-Max

Yes the 17 hornet sorry about miss info. started out 1.350 after first fired round measured 1.45 second reload went to 1.48 to 1.50 I just think this is a lot of case growth. I think I'll trim back to 1.35 and reload again. I'm using 9.8gr lil gun with good groups this load started at 9.3 and work up groups got better as I took them up at 9.8 I am starting to flatten the primer so this is max for me. I have not speed check my reloads yet, but the factory loads clock about 3700 with my chronoghraph.Sometimes I have feed problems but most the time common failure is extracting extractor lets go of shell about half way out the barrel This is going to be a good gun for a lot of the shooting I do if I can get the bugs worked out. thanks for your reply.

[JLShipley]

Yes the 17 hornet sorry about miss info. started out 1.350 after first fired round measured 1.45 second reload went to 1.48 to 1.50 I just think this is a lot of case growth. I think I'll trim back to 1.35 and reload again. I'm using 9.8gr lil gun with good groups this load started at 9.3 and work up groups got better as I took them up at 9.8 I am starting to flatten the primer so this is max for me. I have not speed check my reloads yet, but the factory loads clock about 3700 with my chronoghraph.Sometimes I have feed problems but most the time common failure is extracting extractor lets go of shell about half way out the barrel This is going to be a good gun for a lot of the shooting I do if I can get the bugs worked out. thanks for your reply.

I would de-prim, clean & size them, trim them to 1.34, at least under 1.35. Then try annealing 25 rounds, then reload and set at Hornady spec's C.O.L for the Bullet type, your using it seem to much powder, cut back to 9.5, that most likely the reason your getting such case growth.
I've never had that much case growth, maybe after 1 ST fire, 1.37+ then trim to 1.34, I always trim my 1st case reload to low Case length number, after that just keep it under 1.35, normally only have a some that I need to re trim, most of my 3 RD reloads were in spec's.
Your case feed problem might be you C.O.L., what is your total case/bullet length COL after reloading?

[davemuzz]

My only complaint (left) about my 25 in .17 Hornet is the feeding of the cartridge. I do notice that if I put 4 rounds in the magazine, the first one will not chamber smoothly. IF I put 3 in, the first round will chamber smoothly about half the time.

Now, for brass reloading I'm not having any problems. I've already taken a small segment of brass and reloaded this "group" 4 or 5 times with no problems. I took my Nosler 20gr. loaded over 9.0gr. of H-110 to the range the other day. Accuracy is excellent at 100 and 200 yards. I just forgot to bring along my chronograph. Grrrrrr.

Plinkin....as far as the matt finish, these rifles are purpose made for varmint hunting. Sun glare (or at night, light glare or moon glare) is not good when your coyote or fox hunting. The matt finish is the best for this purpose made rifle.

MHO

Dave

[plinkin]

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Plinkin....as far as the matte finish, these rifles are purpose made for varmint hunting. Sun glare (or at night, light glare or moon glare) is not good when your coyote or fox hunting. The matte finish is the best for this purpose made rifle.

MHO

Dave

Dave, I understand that but the Walking series in the 25 has always been matte finished and I feel it was partly because it is a price-point rifle in as much as it is lighter. I know the syntha-stock and 2" less barrel shed the weight but the syntha-stock & matte finish shed the cost too. The Axis and B.Mag are also price point rifles, same finish. I didn't whine about the finish on the B.Mag because the rifle is what it is and it is not a bad rifle for the new rim fire round. The Savage M40 Varminter, 22 Hornet, hi gloss finish and the laminate stocked M25's the same or were until January. I have 3 M25s and when I ordered my 22 Hornet I fully expected to get the matte finish and when I did not I was very pleased. I understand the idea of "purpose built" but I am fairly certain they didn't make this change because hunters were complaining the sheen on their rifle was a distraction. They did it to lower the manufacturing cost.

[JLShipley]

Dave, I understand that but the Walking series in the 25 has always been matte finished and I feel it was partly because it is a price-point rifle in as much as it is lighter. I know the syntha-stock and 2" less barrel shed the weight but the syntha-stock & matte finish shed the cost too. The Axis and B.Mag are also price point rifles, same finish. I didn't whine about the finish on the B.Mag because the rifle is what it is and it is not a bad rifle for the new rim fire round. The Savage M40 Varminter, 22 Hornet, hi gloss finish and the laminate stocked M25's the same or were until January. I have 3 M25s and when I ordered my 22 Hornet I fully expected to get the matte finish and when I did not I was very pleased. I understand the idea of "purpose built" but I am fairly certain they didn't make this change because hunters were complaining the sheen on their rifle was a distraction. They did it to lower the manufacturing cost.

Check with Savage, New gun will be shipped 3 weeks?...Also there sending a M25 LWT .17 , will have the Satin Blue finish on Barrel......both the M25LW and LWT (Laminated Stocks) will have Stain Blue finish, others will have Matte

[plinkin]

Check with Savage, New gun will be shipped 3 weeks?...Also there sending a M25 LWT .17 , will have the Satin Blue finish on Barrel......both the M25LW and LWT (Laminated Stocks) will have Stain Blue finish, others will have Matte

When I spoke to Andrew in Savage CS last month and asked about the matte finish on the M25s and asked if there had been a running change he said since January there had been.

[davemuzz]

Well, I suppose to each his own. If I were to order one I would want exactly what I have now. A matte finish barrel and receiver because of glare, and a plastic stock.....because I for sure am darn hard on wooden ones. Heck....I'm tough on plastic ones!!!

Dave

[GaCop]

I've been thinking about getting a model 25 but, since reading about all the problems, I'm beginning to wonder...........