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    300 Win Mag

    OK--I know this isn't necessarily Axis territory--but does anyone have any experience with 300 Win Mag in any savage--I'm toying with the idea of getting the 111 and seeing if I can get some good long-range accuracy out of it. I know this is a "pounder" caliber and I'm a bit concerned about not having a muzzle break--and what is a good aftermarket stock set-up to help keep my shoulder attached to my body.
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    Moderator pet peeve: A member knows that he is starting an off-topic thread (i.e., in the wrong section) and takes the time to mention that fact within the post, but can't be bothered to actually start the thread in the correct section of the forum.

    I guess I'll credit it to the OP making an early morning post before having had sufficient cups of coffee.

    I'm moving this thread from Savage Axis/Edge Rifles where it was started but does not belong, to Savage 110-based Centerfire Rifles since the OP wishes to discuss his future 111 build.
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    Sorry boss--it's just that this is where I do my hanging out, so I was actually soliciting comments from the axis guys that may have had trigger time behind the 300 regardless of platform--but I understand your peeve.
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    Now to provide some thoughts:
    There are a number of threads about various magnum calibers...there is an active one on 300 mag versus 7mm mag. Have you searched for it? There are about as many different opinions about your question as we have members, so stand by.

    Muzzle brakes can be very effective. But they do make it significantly louder for the shooter and the folks around the shooter. You will find that some folks like them and others don't.

    The heavier your stock (and your rifle, overall), the lower the apparent (felt) recoil.

    The better the stock fits your shoulder, and the more surface area that is in contact with your body, the lower the apparent recoil.

    Shooting offhand is much easier on the shoulder than shooting prone or from a bench because your body is more able to rock backwards and dissipate the effect of the recoil throughout the mass of your whole body instead of just your shoulder.

    However, you didn't say what you wanted to do with this rifle. Is this for walking around hunting? Stand hunting? Competition? Primarily prone shooting? Benchrest shooting? etc... It makes a big difference with respect to stock and muzzle brake recommendations.

    Lots of folks get long range accuracy out of 300 WinMag, but depending on what you want to do with it, there may be suggestions as to better chamberings that will give you long range accuracy with lower recoil. For example, many folks are shooting 1000 yards very accurately with various 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges.

    It is difficult for other members to provide useful answers if they don't know what you intend to do with the rifle. If you would be willing to fill in the details, you will likely get more useful information.
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    I guess the best way to answer "what do I want it for" is to say I want it all--that is maybe 90% of the time bench/prone shooting at range testing out handloads--but I want the option to hit targets up to 1000 yds and retain the ability to take down game (after much practice and dialing everything in) at intermediate/long range. That's why I'm attracted to this caliber-seems like it's a good flat shooter for 30 caliber but also has the power to deliver take-down wallop at the long ranges. Understand the shooting off-hand--but in that case wouldn't be even more important to have the load and barrel tuned so that the round is leaving the muzzle with minimal lift? Thanks for advice. BTW, when I do a search for 300 win mag I get "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
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    Yes, the search engine on this site is admittedly rather weak. Try some similar but different search terms. I used "300wm" and came up with some stuff. You might also want to scroll through the listings of posts in this section and in the Help me Decide section to see if you can find something interesting. Here are some related threads that discuss some of the merits and opinions of various long distance calibers, for example: http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...ighlight=300wm, http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...ter-Need-input, http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...-your-thoughts

    I shoot a 6.5 swede successfully at 1000 yards. The 6.5 bullets are available with the high BC and SD to take medium sized game out to relatively long distances (but I didn't build it as a walk around hunting rifle). It is easy on my shoulder. I am not trying to convince you to change to this particular chambering, but just to let you know that there are other possibilities and solutions.

    The rhetorical question I would ask in response to your post is: which is more important to you: 1. 300WM chambering? or 2. Ability to shoot long distances accurately and take game out to medium long ranges? The two are not mutually exclusive, but there may be solutions that are "out of the box" that would fulfill the requirements of the latter criteria, even though they didn't meet the first criterion.

    I'll step down now and let all the folks who are smarter than I start chiming in.
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    I already have a 6.5 284 norma and that's my current LR 6.5 flavor I'm in development with so I was kinda interested in a 30 caliber that goes further with more punch than 308 win since I believe it should mean cross-usage of much of my 308 reload components except for brass.
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    You could always build another 6.5 and cross use your 6.5 components too. I just got my 6.5-06 Ackley running good and with a 140 berger I am able to carry the same amount of energy out to 1000 yards as a 300 win mag with a 210 berger and I am about 7 feet flatter in trajectory and about 10" better in the wind with using less powder and generating the recoil of a 270.

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    Thermaler: If you are keeping abreast of other current posts, you have probably read this one which poses a question very similar to yours.

    http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...ter-Need-input
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    the 300 wm is hands down the most accurate Savage I ever worked up. After I found how to load it ragged holes were the norm, not the exception. Don't know if they still have any but the barrel I used was just a Savage ss "second" I purchased brand new from Gun Parts Corp. It liked 180 Sierra's seated out to within 1/32 of the lands. By .1 away (they're deep throated) it was just a "normal" 1 1/2 group shooter.

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    Forgot but meant to mention - with the 300wm a lead sled is your friend!

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    In Reply to some of your earlier questions that have already been answered by Thomae but I'll throw some of my own experience with the Win Mag.

    I had never fired one before being handed a Very Nice (Non Savage) custom 300 Win Mag to shoot a Feral Hog in Australia... One thing I did know was that they kick..I had only fired .243 as my largest calibre before that and so I was a little scared... The funny thing was that with the Muzzle brake I hardly felt it... that combined with shooting at live quarry meant I was more pre occupied with the placement of shot rather than the recoil.

    We took the same rifle to the range.. Gotta say that I felt all of those shots... but it was very accurate and I have seen a few long range rigs here in NZ that have been plenty accurate for hunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomae View Post
    Thermaler: If you are keeping abreast of other current posts, you have probably read this one which poses a question very similar to yours.

    http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...ter-Need-input
    Good info--thanks for the reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedrat1 View Post
    the 300 wm is hands down the most accurate Savage I ever worked up. After I found how to load it ragged holes were the norm, not the exception. Don't know if they still have any but the barrel I used was just a Savage ss "second" I purchased brand new from Gun Parts Corp. It liked 180 Sierra's seated out to within 1/32 of the lands. By .1 away (they're deep throated) it was just a "normal" 1 1/2 group shooter.
    Which Savage are you talking about--or does it make littledifference as long as you have the right barrel? The recoilthing does concern me--but I'm willing to take some punishment as long as I can get the round out the barrel in good style. I have a 12 guage that I occassionally go out and fire 3" magnums out of and I know that is pounding about as bad as anything in the rifle world.
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    Is that a semi auto 12? You can put a muzzle device on you WM.

    Don't know if they still have any but the barrel I used was just a Savage ss "second" I purchased brand new from Gun Parts Corp.
    I got one also. Unmarked...a Shaw I suspect. Lights out.

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