Stock for High Scope Savage 114

Klaus Kinski · 11-03-2012, 03:42 PM

Hi Guys,
I own a 114 Savage .30-06 European Classic long action, detachable magazine. I have mounted a rather large scope. The stock however is clearly designed for using iron sights. So I have to stretch my neck every time to use the scope. That makes shooting uncomfortable and therefore difficult.

I'm looking for a replacement stock now that is designed for using larger scopes. Since I use it as an all purpose hunting rifle I would like to avoid cheek pads or adjustable heavy sniper/sporting stocks. I was thinking a hogue stock or something similar...

Here is a picture of my current stock
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-163184...ULT-L.jpg.html
In short I am looking for a replacement stock where the red bar is lower.

I have tried to use the search but didn't really know what keywords to use. I am from Germany and it is quite an exotic rifle over here, so it is difficult to get parts and informations in general.

Has anyone experiences or tips about a stock like this?

thanks.

helotaxi · 11-03-2012, 07:55 PM

Do you have any pictures of your rifle? Any chance that you can mount the scope lower? You probably don't want to hear this, but you'll probably have to lose the rear sight to mount the scope low enough to use correctly with any stock. Your only other real option is a cheek piece. You can add something like a Karsten for not that much money.

Klaus Kinski · 11-05-2012, 07:46 AM

Here are 2 Pictures. Sorry the Quality is not that great, just the smartphone camera.

You are of course right, the high scope mounts are the main problem. However they would be ridiculously expensive to change. It is an EAW Swivel Mount, very sturdy but also very expensive and not very versatile. I made the mistake of trusting the advice of the gunsmith who sold me the rifle with mounting and scope.
I already checked for an alternative mounting system but changing that would cost pratically more than the gun is worth. So I was hoping to find a different stock that could solve my problem. Otherwise I think I will sell the rifle and buy something else...

Though I suppose a cheek piece wouldn't be so bad after all, the Karsten looks pretty good, thanks.

thomae · 11-05-2012, 08:10 AM

I would suggest this:
http://www.midwaygermany.com/epages/...roducts/577595

combined with either this:
http://www.midwaygermany.com/epages/...roducts/661544

or this:
http://www.midwaygermany.com/epages/...roducts/612622

...and if you need them, these: http://www.midwaygermany.com/epages/...roducts/712472

I know they are not inexpensive, but it should be a lot less expensive than purchasing a new rifle.

What is the outside diameter of your scope body and the widest part of the front lens housing? Maybe you can use medium rings.

By the way, the part numbers are the same for MidwayDeutschland and MidwayUSA.

Klaus Kinski · 11-05-2012, 09:21 AM

Thanks for the Research. However I should have mentioned that I don't like the stock in general. I'm 6'1'' and the stock is very short for my arms. The monte Carlo shape where the stock meets the shoulder also worsens the muzzle climb a lot because the recoil impulse hits the shoulder 1-2 inches lower than the barrel. I hope it is clear what I mean, it is difficult to explain in English.
Even if I didn't have problems with the scope height I would change the stock.

the gun is worth about 700-750€ with a little patience. I could sell it immediately to a gunsmith for 600€ (I checked). For about 1000€ I could get a rifle of acceptable quality and precision with a picatinny rail already mounted and a better fitting stock without the monte carlo shape.
Say about 150-300€ for a new stock and at least 150€ removing the old mounts and putting the pica rail on the gun. Manpower is very expensive here, especially with gunsmiths. Hardly anyone is allowed to buy a firearm, therefore the market is very small and therefore everything is pretty expensive.
It might add up to about the same but I would rather buy a factory made ready rifle than fiddling about with my gun and investing a lot of money.

I should add that it is a lot of hassle here in Germany to work on a gun and try it out. I have to drive about 20 miles to a certified shooting range that is only open to the public on saturday afternoon every time I want to make a test shot.

thomae · 11-05-2012, 09:25 AM

Actually your English is much better than my German (even when I use a computer to translate!) Ausgezeichnet!

I know exactly what you mean. Good luck and safe shooting!

helotaxi · 11-05-2012, 09:56 PM

I've never seen a mount like that. Is the toothed rail on the bottom of the scope part of the scope or is it added on in some way? It's a shame that a silly setup like that was done by someone calling themselves a gunsmith to an excellent optic like that.

Speaking from experience, the EGW rail combined with the Signature Zee rings ends up pretty much as high as what you're working with now. I found that a set of Burris "standard" bases (windage adjustable rear and dovetail front) with a set of Burris Signature high rings keeps a 50mm objective nice and tight on the barrel. They make a reversible base specifically for long actions that bridges the action partially to mount the front ring. I have one on my 111 mounting a Bushnell Elite 2.5-10x50 and there's just enough space under the objective bell to get the scope cover on. If the scope is a 40mm objective, you can get by with the medium height rings. Don't use a windage adjustable base without the Signature rings.