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    Axis / Edge Stock Reinforcement Made Easy - Take II

    Well, it seems due to a computer glitch my previous post about modifying the Axis stock is lost in cyber space. So, this affords me the oportunity to retype it with a few additions I'd like to make.
    As most of you are aware, the Axis can be quite the little shooter. With a little work anyone with even marginal skill can do, it'll be worthy of a bipod or it can be rested on the forend without the stock touching the barrel. I've modified several of these & it gets easier each time. The procedure I'm going to explain will cost the average Joe about $15 & takes about 2 - hours to complete.

    Start with removing the barreled action from the stock by removing the 2 screws in the underside of the stock. Carefully remove the barreled action so as to not let the pin fall out of the trigger assembly. Having a solid gun rest can be real helpful right about now, but not mandatory. Once you have it apart, you'll be looking at something like this:



    You'll see a main rib running down the center of the channel with shorter cross ribs. A few of the cross ribs need to be removed. Since it's a soft, flexible plastic they cut very easy with a hacksaw blade. Only cut the ribs between the point where the swivel is attached and the plastic recoil block:




    Cut along the inside of the stock & at the edge of the center rib. The hacksaw blade will cut almost down to the bottom. If it doesn't, the ribs can be removed by twisting them out with a pair of long nose pliers:




    Once you've cut & removed the ribs, it should look something like this:



    You'll need 2 pieces of 3/16th inch or 1/4 inch steel rod. I've tried this with different diameters & I prefer the 3/16" steel. Aluminum works well, too. What ever size you decide on, you'll need to drill 2 holes in the bottom of the plastic recoil block. I've found that by cutting the steel rod with a bolt cutter, the pinched end of the rod makes an excellent drill bit. You only need to drill in about 3/8" in. I find there's someting hard in the plastic block that will only let you drill in about 3/8" to 1/2".



    Now, you've already bought some 2 part epoxy when you went to Ace Hardware to get the steel rod. I'm partial to Ace's own brand of quick set epoxy or JB Weld - the quick set kind. If you don't think you can work with a quick setting epoxy, get the regular kind.
    Mix up a little epoxy - follow the instructions on the package - and scoop some up on the end of the rod. Before it drips all over, insert the end of the rod into the holes you just drilled. If you used the rod to drill the hole with, it should be a snug fit & you may need to tap it in. The rod will be precut to the length you'll need which will be from the swivel to the plastic recoil block PLUS about 3/8" to go into the block. You can run the rod to the end of the stock if you want to but, I've found it gets in the way if you ever put one of those truck axle sized barrels on & have to open up the barrel channel.



    After both rods are in place, it should look like this:


    Now, it's time to fill in the barrel channel with epoxy. Keep in mind you don't want to fill it any higher than the tops of the rods and about 1/8" more. Too much & it may interfere with the barrel. Before filling it with epoxy it's a good idea to scuff up the inside of the channel with sandpaper. This will help it adhere to the plastic. I find it's best to do this in 2 batches. Mix up about 1/2 tube of each part of the epoxy in a paper cup & pour it into the channel starting with the recoil block end. Remember to keep the stock level. The epoxy will run while it's setting up. Once you find out how much more you need, mix & pour. An ice cream stick comes in handy right about here...


    If you've got to the point where it looks like this, you did well.



    SO.....
    Now you're just about ready to put it back together. But before you do, it's always a good idea to remove a little material from the sides of the barrel channel. This will help keep the stock from touching the barrel when you're loading the bipod or leaning on a fence or whatever. A battery drill & some sanding / grinding gadgets will do the trick.



    Remove a little at a time & check the fit every few passes with the cutter. When you're comfortable that you've removed enough, a little sanding to clean it up & it should be ready to reassemble.
    Once you've got it back together, slide a card down the barrel to check the fit.



    Well, you're just about done...

    One of the weakest points on the Axis stock is in the worst possible place. The grip is thin & very flexible. I've heard a few hunting stories about climbing fences & ending up with a 2 piece stock or coming out of a tree & dropping the rifle only to regret it later. Here's a quick fix that'll stiffen it up a little -
    With the stock turned upside down & the trigger guard off, it'll look like this:

    You'll need some of this:

    Because you'll need to do this:

    Fill in all the voids in the stock all the way around the trigger guard. Once you have them filled, epoxy the trigger guard in place. This will stiffen & strengthen the stock quite a bit in this area. Not enough to use it for a pry bar but alot better than it was. By the way, don't ever plan on getting the trigger guard off without a fight. I find the benefits far greater than a $5 trigger guard.

    Re-assemble everthing, tightening the action screws evenly, & allow the epoxy time to fully cure. You should notice a considerable change & if you've free floated the barrel, you should have quite a shooter.
    Happy Shooting-
    Frank in Fla
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    thanks, Frank As soon as I get some time between work and cutting firewood I plan on doing the stock mod to my 2 Axis, The 243 and the 223. would you happen to know how to do the trigger mod with out cutting the spring. I heard you can modify the trigger block itself almost turn it in to a acutrigger.

    Thanks for the detailed pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockwoodjohn View Post
    thanks, Frank As soon as I get some time between work and cutting firewood I plan on doing the stock mod to my 2 Axis, The 243 and the 223. would you happen to know how to do the trigger mod with out cutting the spring. I heard you can modify the trigger block itself almost turn it in to a acutrigger.

    Thanks for the detailed pictures
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    Go to: http://www.savageshooters.com/showth...3-5-lb-trigger

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    I read somewhere the accu-trigger will fit into an axis with minimum retro fit. Be careful though, I recall someone mentioning there was a difference between early accu-trigger & later models. May be one of the guys here will chime in & throw their 2 cents in the hat. The couple of axis rifles I have were given the 'ol nip & zip.
    Cut 3 coils off & it's ultra light in pull. In fact, one of my Axis's (Axises?... Axis'?) has the lightest pull I've ever felt. All you have to do is give it a light tap & it fires. I had more concern with the trigger side play so I shimmed them with some thin washers.

    Good luck with your project.
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    Frank, you are the man....I've done everything but open up the barrel channel. I'm waiting til I get my go/no go gages then I'll be grinding the barrel channel.

    I also cut the stock, since I didn't like the LOP. I cut about 2" off and found that the WalMart branded Winchester/Limbsaver small size fits it perfectly. I think I'll use Great Stuff to fill the stock. I know that you used epoxy with some rods. I wonder if if rods and Great Stuff would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aubie515 View Post
    Frank, you are the man....I've done everything but open up the barrel channel. I'm waiting til I get my go/no go gages then I'll be grinding the barrel channel.

    I also cut the stock, since I didn't like the LOP. I cut about 2" off and found that the WalMart branded Winchester/Limbsaver small size fits it perfectly. I think I'll use Great Stuff to fill the stock. I know that you used epoxy with some rods. I wonder if if rods and Great Stuff would work.
    I cut my stock about 1 1/2" and it handles much better--just make sure your scope has more than 3" inch eye relief or you'll be wearing a third-eye forehead tattoo in no time--don't ask me how I know this. : )

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    Recoil is pretty rough stuff. Even with some smaller calibers. I don't know if I'd trust Great Stuff. We've used it on the job pretty regular & it really doesn't have a lot of strength.

    Epoxy is cheap enough. It even comes in smaller tubes if you only need a little.

    As far as filling the stock, after swapping barrels with a fat .243 or 25.06, a little ballast is needed or else the rifle will nosedive. I've used anything I can get my hands on..... Like 1/2 of a big 'ol brass door hinge. If the barrel is a 26", then I have to use both halves. Point being, it gets epoxied in place & I've never had any come loose.
    If you do use the RGS, let us know....

    You might be on to something.
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    I filled the rear portion of the stock w/ Great Stuff and it's more rigid that you would think. I used epoxy and rods in the front portion.

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    I promise I won't ask If you'll tell me a little more about why & where you're cutting the stock. I've heard this from a few guys & I'm a little unclear about it. Are you cutting / removing from the end of the stock to change the length of pull?

    What are you doing about the pad?

    Inquiring minds want to know for no other reason than "because". The stock length is fine for me so cutting some off is not a consideration BUT....

    I'm interested in knowing.

    Thanx,

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    Well, basically the "new style" Axis stock is about that much shorter than the "old style" stock. When I received my 308 with the new stock I switched it to my 270 and the gun handles very nicely--but when I ordered a new stock direct from savage they sent me the older. longer one. So I simply cut down the length from the butt end and re-attached the buttpad (I also put a reinforcement rod inside and filled the stock area with RC7 and urethane foam. The buttpad is permanently attached to the rod and cannot be removed--but I have no reason to do so.

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    This is the Limbsaver recoil pad that I ended up buying. Best part of the recoil pad is cost...since Dick's has Limbsavers for nearly double the cost.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester...l-Pad/16778340

    It fits perfectly on my Axis stock. I ended up cutting the stock right around where the rear swivel stud is on the stock. I wanted a shorter LOP since I'm looking for the shortest/lightest rifle that I can put together.

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    AAHAHhhhhhhhhhh.... I see.

    The 'ol slip fit recoil pad. That's good. Make it the way ya like it. Most of mine are set up full length with fat barrels & a little ballast in the rear. I wouldn't want to wander around the jungle with any of them strapped to my back.

    I kept one of my 110's as a hunting rifle. Nice & light, easy to handle & it feels comfortable. It also has the forend reinforced to accomodate to bipod. I stayed with the original Mossy Oak Camo.

    Good luck with it aubie... I got to do my evening leak check. The hurrricane off the coast is now sending copius amounts of weather our way.
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    The weather will be following us a couple of days later in the NorthEast. Stay safe.

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    You as well...

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    Frank, i was hoping for an sequel to your first article on strengthening the Axis/Edge stock. was worth the wait. thanks.

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    Hey dog...

    Actually this isn't a sequel, this is more of a replacement. I wanted to add a few things anyway. My original is floating around in cyberspace. Never to be seen or heard from again.

    Well like I said, I wanted to add a few things & elaborate on a few others.

    I hope it helps.
    Enjoy.
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    say boss i am a newbie and have a savage axis 30-06 ss... i have done some reading on the firearm and was just going to ask how to reinforce the plastic stock....great way to do the forend and i wil do mine your way.. i was thinking about the stock butt reinforcement.....wonder if fiberglass would work by filling the stock with it in layers wonder if it would effect the plastic and i know it gets a little hot while it cures... and i guess bondo is out of the question but that epoxy you are speaking of might work great also thought of filling it with simple silicone gel sure would remain flexible....dont forget now i am a newbie but i am mechanicaly inclined and understand physics to a certain point great thinking boss im also thinking of buying another factory stock and customizing it keep the forend the same cutting of the rear but end to a certain point and fitting a magpul adjustible stock.. possibly using rods and ablank load of fiberglass to mold the magpul mount in the cut stock just have to wonder what it would look like... just a thought please reply
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    I've been looking for this thread and CA Turkey Huntsman located for me. One thing I've noticed is that the inside of the wrist on my new Savage Axis .243 in lefthand does'nt look anythng like Franks. The wrist on mine has No flex whatsoever. Maybe Savage stiffened up some.

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    I finally got a chance to shoot my Axis before I swapped barrels.....what bullets will stabilize in a factory 9T barrel? I tried everything from 55gr - 75gr bullets and the smallest group I was able to achieve was about 1.5" @ 100 yards shooting off a mechanical rest and rear sandbag. These same loads will produce under .75 MOA in my 8T .223. So as soon as I can find some time I will give my new 20 Practical barrel a try. I should have tried swapping my own barrels sooner, that was easy.

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    My first time posting here. I want to do some stiffening on my Savage Edges (yes, I bought the early ones when they were still Edges....), and also some of the 11 and 111 models I have. Got several questions for fgw. First, would it reinforce the stock trigger area if you only filled the cavities in the stock around the trigger area without actually epoxying in the trigger guard itself? I purchased a four foot section of steel shelf rail (that the shelf support brackets attach to); the rail is shaped like a "U" with square corners at the bottom, and is about 5/8" wide and about 7/16" high, and is very stiff. I was wondering if something like this would work instead of the two 3/16" steel rods? Rather than drilling into the plastic recoil lug, would it be just as beneficial to butt the rail against the plastic lug? To use the rail one would probably have to take a bit off the top of the long center rib. One nice thing about the rail is it is full of slots and therefor provides a firm grip for the epoxy. Threaded rod would also provide a firm grip for the epoxy. Couple of other thoughts: buy a Dremel (or similar) tool for cutting and buffing the stock. Also, for a work surface, get one of those cheap ($15) folding work tables that comes with clamps and screw adjustments. BTW, excellent site, and appreciate the help. This is my very first time doing something like this with my rifles. I may be purchasing a Boyd stock for at least one of my Savages. Too bad Savage doesn't spend an extra $10 to make a little nicer stocks. Gonna try to camo paint some of my Tupperware stocks this summer, I hope. I have one Edge in camo and I love it.

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    The recoil lug is metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy View Post
    My first time posting here. I want to do some stiffening on my Savage Edges (yes, I bought the early ones when they were still Edges....), and also some of the 11 and 111 models I have. Got several questions for fgw. First, would it reinforce the stock trigger area if you only filled the cavities in the stock around the trigger area without actually epoxying in the trigger guard itself? I purchased a four foot section of steel shelf rail (that the shelf support brackets attach to); the rail is shaped like a "U" with square corners at the bottom, and is about 5/8" wide and about 7/16" high, and is very stiff. I was wondering if something like this would work instead of the two 3/16" steel rods? Rather than drilling into the plastic recoil lug, would it be just as beneficial to butt the rail against the plastic lug? To use the rail one would probably have to take a bit off the top of the long center rib. One nice thing about the rail is it is full of slots and therefor provides a firm grip for the epoxy. Threaded rod would also provide a firm grip for the epoxy. Couple of other thoughts: buy a Dremel (or similar) tool for cutting and buffing the stock. Also, for a work surface, get one of those cheap ($15) folding work tables that comes with clamps and screw adjustments. BTW, excellent site, and appreciate the help. This is my very first time doing something like this with my rifles. I may be purchasing a Boyd stock for at least one of my Savages. Too bad Savage doesn't spend an extra $10 to make a little nicer stocks. Gonna try to camo paint some of my Tupperware stocks this summer, I hope. I have one Edge in camo and I love it.
    I'll attempt answering in the order you have them written....
    Epoxy the trigger area & guard - I'm of the frame of mind these stocks are so flimsy, ANYTHING would help. Personal experience has shown that quite a bit of flex was gone after epoxying the trigger guard in place. I suppose adding the extra mass makes it stronger. Still, I wouldn't be using it for a pry bar.
    Steel shelf rail - As long as extra weight isn't a consideration & if it allows the barrel to sit in the groove, use what you have on hand. I encourage you to use a little planning & fore thought (remember the 6 "P"'s...) and most importantly, without sacrificing safety, be creative...
    Butting the reinforcement against the recoil block - After the 2nd or 3rd stock, I started putting a little "pre-bend" in the rods & always drill & epoxy them into the recoil block. This allows for a little pressure against the weight of the barrel. A very slight downward bend, then epoxy it in place seemed to help stiffen it a bit more. Remember - I shoot from a bipod 99% of the time. That's where the stock reinforcement comes into play. Without it the "FLex-O-Matic 500" Axis stock will push against the bipod when I shoot. While it does help with side play & twist, that's the reason I started doing this.
    DREMEL!!! It should be a federal law - If you own rifles & work on them yourself, you must have a dremel tool....

    Ya know, even with my 110's, I still do the stock stiffener thing. To me, it just seems to go against the grain to buy one of the best shooting rifles & pump another $1000 into it. I like to keep it cheap but that's just me. I suppose if I had an extra $500 laying around with absolutely nothing else to do with it, I would probably buy a different stock. I even use the factory triggers & work with them to where they are smooth & silky. At least up until my friend Jim in California ruined me by selling me a few Accu-Triggers.

    I hope this helps. Have fun with it & take your time. Dry fit your pieces BEFORE you epoxy them in. If you have any other questions, I'm sure someone here can help or drop me a line.
    Enjoy!
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    BTW, I want all the extra weight I can get in that light Savage 300 Win mag!

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