Reply With QuoteYou have to request the cut rifled from rock creek as i did and they are superb barrels.
Alot of people are asuming the rock creek prefits are there awsome cut rifled barrels. the prefits are button rifled.
You have to request the cut rifled from rock creek as i did and they are superb barrels.
What was the turn around time on them are they stocking them?
Yes, any info on them moving forward with their prefits? They were supposed to offer both cut and button rifled versions early in the summer, but I've not heard that they started doing this.
Also interested in any additional info on this.
From what i gathered when i ordered mine. they did not have a bunch in hand. They did have the .284 I ordered. Getting there cut rifled is worth the extra wait. Im not a fan of prefits because of reasons i wont get into. but rock creek is a much more reputable barrel maker than criterion and others like them. I know criterion is a sister company of kreiger but it would be unwise to consider them as equals. That is my opinion. If your trying to win matches i would pay the extra money and get a good pipe from bartlien, kreiger, rock creek ect ect. And have a reputable smith chamber it for you. If your just punching paper for the hell of it or hunting the prefit is more than enough. I know quit a few smiths that are personal friends that would never put a prefit on there rigs. I do understand if your.strapped for.cash the prefit is a sweet deal for the money. I have nothing against someone wanting a better barrel because the stockers are junk
I would be careful writing off prefits. I will say its a bit more of a gamble then buying a blank and having a good smith chamber it up for you but most of the time I haven't seen a difference. I have full custom remmys and pieced together savages and sure, the remmys feel a hell of a lot smoother, easier bolt lift etc. but more accurate? nah. Maybe I got lucky with my CBI being as accurate as my Brux though...
Also if your reaaally serious about winning some matches you're probably already running a surgeon/bighorn/stiller/defiance etc with a custom tube so this is a moot point anyways.
And a 'smith wouldn't need to run a prefit on his own rifle because he can cut the chamber exactly the way he wants it from the getgo. If a I had a barrel lathe and the knowhow to use it I certainly wouldn't bother with a prefit.
So in other words, you're saying if it's not a cut rifled barrel it's a POS? To each their own, but I sure do see a lot of button rifled barrels winning match and match after match in various circles each and every weekend.Originally Posted by va78
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Yep...
There is NO "best" way to rifle a barrel. What's important is precision in the process, and stress-relief of the barrel steel.
Cut rifling, Button rifling, AND Hammer forging can all result in high-quality barrels.
Try telling SAKO that hammer-forging sucks...
Too much "my opinion is fact" in cyberspace...
OK. I decided I am going to run a head to head against my 6BR 40x that was trued and chambered by S and S Precision with a Kreiger 1-8 twist 6BR with my Remmy 700 that I built myself with a Criterion Pre fit 1-8 6BR using the Remmage barrel nut system.
I said nothing about cut rifled being superior to button rifled.. I personally use Broughton on my Accuracy International..And rock creek on the rest... I said that the Rock Creek prefit wasn't a cut rifled because many people assumed by ordering a prefit from them they would be getting the cut rifled barrel....This got takin way out of context. Last time I checked we can all have opinion's. A premium barrel that is prefit is much much better than the crap that is on factory " by factory I mean Remington, winchester, ruger, and savage" You can still get acceptable accuracy out of a factory barrel, but acceptable is not good enough for me at all. What I was simply saying, if you have the money, a barrel that is threaded and chambered by a competent smith " like G.A Precision, Short Action Customs, L.A Precision, Sid Goodling etc etc" I would go that route before I put a prefit on any of my action's.. But again if you can not afford to go that route than have a prefit put on your action is absolutely fine.. It's much better than the factory pipe by far. But to end all of this the original post was just to clarify that the Rock Creek prefit is button rifled unless you request a prefit with one of there cut rifled barrels...That's all... so now I'm ready for the ass chewing from whomever disagrees.......
Last edited by va78; 10-09-2012 at 06:47 PM. Reason: miss spelling
No chewing from me VA.
I agree with everything you said above.
Especially the part about a quality custom tube chambered by a great gunsmith being preferable to any prefit.
and yes CAPTRAMROD, I use Surgeon action's.. Bighorn's are very sweet as well, they use the floating bolt head. I chose surgeon years ago first and foremost they are 110% reliable in the field. Very high quality, I Love the bottom metal they have and they support our military. Alot of snipers and marksman in the service use surgeon. They have served me well over the years and also the customer service is awesome as well.
I have 3 more broughton barrel's on the way. As many people know broughton are freakishly good button rifled barrels. I really dont care if it's button or cut rifled.. It's the quality smithing and range time and trigger control that is most important. Not the process by which these barrels are made.......that's all I have to say..
I have bought three custom barrels over the years, two on sporters and one on a 12ftr. I'm happy with all of them, but the Rock Creek on my 12 ftr in 6 Dasher is a superb shooting rifle. But I also think Randy Gregory's work to install it is a good part of the equation. Luckus
IMHO, the only "disadvantage" of getting a prefit barrel is you're limited to how it's chambered. If it's chambered (throated) to shoot heavy bullets and shoots great, as the throat wears, you can't keep shooting the weight bullets you started off with and you may not get the same groups/accuracy that made you smile like when it was new.
Chambering/short throating to a dummy round gives you the advantage of being able to jam to the lands and still have a bunch of bullet/neck contact.
Long throat means you can only go one way with bullet seating and still jam to the lands. Pretty soon the bullets are just barely sticking in the case neck.
Go short throat and you can chase the lands. In the long run, custom chambers are the way to go. And 100 to 200+ and more rounds fired comes on real fast.
Your first prefit barrel may shoot like a dream but it won't be too long before you'll be wishing you had a shorter throat chamber. Plan ahead.
is there such a thing as a short throat prefit ?
just curious
my factory junk barrels shoot .5 moa & better
any thing better would be a waste for me
I'M not a professional shooter
just killin cardboard & hunting & such
I load to lands
in factory mags-in all but my 300wm -I had to mod the mag to reach the lands
so are factory barrels considered short throated?
or does short throated mean under factory coal ?
Last edited by Willoughby; 10-31-2012 at 03:05 PM.
Just because it's a prefit doesn't mean that it can't be a custom chambered barrel. Nice thing about a Savage is that the chamber and headspace are mostly independent. And you can have a short chamber cut to match a certain bullet by any smith that will do it. It just will be a special order instead of "off the rack".
I have a question for all those who have their barrels gunsmith installed (or self installed) without a barrel nut. Why Savage? It seems to me that the big appeal of the savage "system" is that it is easy to work on at home (and consequently cheaper). If I were paying to have a barrel installed with a traditional shoulder, I personally prefer the feel of a Rem or winchester action and it seems that that is a fairly common preference. I have more savages than any other manufacturer but the appeal for me is the home "gun smithing." So, why Savage?
The floating bolt head and some of the other design features of the Savage that were conceived with ease of manufacture in mind and that lend themselves to the home "gunsmith" also lend themselves to an accurate rifle without the need to have a real gunsmith go over the entire action with a lathe and mill to get a proper baseline for the action to perform well. The ability to just swap out bolts on the Savage without having to fit it to the receiver and the chamber is another bonus. Finally, the bolt-together, modular design of the bolt makes going the custom route there with a fluted body or custom bolt handle a simple plug-and-play operation without having to get out the torch, refit everything when you're done and end up stuck with whatever you come out with.
The Savage action design is really pretty impressive from a manufacturing standpoint. With the Savage, the parts are made individually by specialists; a machinist makes the action, a barrelsmith makes the barrels and so on, but the final assembly is just that: assembly. With something like a Remington, Winchester, Browning, Ruger, etc... the final assembly has to be accomplished by a gunsmith since all the individual parts have to be hand-fit to create the final product. If the goal was to make the best rifle out-of-the-box, the smith doing all the fitting would be a bonus and that's how the custom rifle builders go about it, but the goal of a mass produced rifle is a functional, safe firearm and little more. The fit is within tolerance. Good enough. They don't take the time to square up the receiver, grind the recoil lug, true the bolt face, lap the bolt to the action and so on like a custom rifle builer would. As such, having a 'smith spend his time and machine time hand fitting all the parts together to result in a merely functional rifle is largely wasted. Savage spends their machine and skilled labor on other things like making a very good barrel for a factory rifle. The function is built into the design and the rifle is less expensive to manufacture as well.
Hi, My name is Russell Dorn, I am an employee at Rock Creek Barrels. We are working on getting everything worked out for setting up the sale of prefits. I will have more info later
Thank You,
Russell
Last edited by Russell D; 12-17-2012 at 08:50 PM.
I have emailed you guys 3 times about getting one of these. You have never got back to me. Would be nice if we could have some info.
Sorry for the lack of any reply, do you happen to remember what email you used? Also how long ago did you email?
I have kind of taken reins of the savage stuff in the past few months and I haven't been told of anyone inquiring about anything...
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