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    6.5 Grendel

    hello all, new here and have been doing a lot of reading and well... I am a huge Grendel fan , mostly because of the 6.5 cal. My question is has anyone had or heard of a blot gun in 6.5 Grendel and what are some opinions? I am starting my 1st savage build and need some help deciding on caliber. Thanks

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    Paid Member GaCop's Avatar
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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    Welcome to the forums! I too have been wondering the same thing. A member in the know should respond shortly to answer your question.

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    I know I am just a retired old duffer here in the woods of PA. but what is a blot gun? Help enlighten me please, & do I have to buy another action now?

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    The 6.5 Grendel is a really neat cartridge. It was first offered by Alexander Arms on the AR-15 platform. The cartridge was designed to function with the gas operated platform and was hopeful to replace the .223 Rem as a higher powered cartridge for our troops; much like the 6.8 SPC. Ballistically it is very similar to the 6.8 out to 300 yds. There are 6.5 Grendel bolt guns in the market, but currently they are only offered by specialty builders as no mainstream companies have picked up the chambering yet. It is possible they will in the future because the market is doing very well for this cartridge. There are several specialty shops who make barrels for the Encore frame in 6.5 Grendel and still others who make barrels for the AR. I have seen some barrel makers who will chamber a barrel for the Savage rifles for 6.5 Grendel. The barrel would not be difficult to obtain for this build on a short action 110, 10, 11, etc..., but you would have to change the bolt head to accept the 7.62x39 case head that is on the Grendel. There is also another cartridge that is offered that is almost identical which is the .264 LBC. This case was introduced by Les Baer and came to be because of the patent that Alexander Arms held on the Grendel cartridge. It is identical to the original except for the shoulder area of the case. Both cartridges will fire in both chambers very much like the .223 Rem and the 5.56 Nato.

    6.5 Grendel or .264 LBC cases can be made from 7.62x39 cases, 220 Russian (parent case) or the PPC cases. Of course Hornady, Lapua, and Alexander Arms sell properly stamped cases already available. Their is also ammo available from Wolf for the 6.5 Grendel as well. There has been a long standing promise from Wolf to manufacture steel cased ammo for the Grendel, although it is still waiting to see the light of day.

    I have the 6.5 Grendel on a TC Encore pistol Frame. My barrel is a 10" bull barrel. I intend to someday get an upper chambered for this cartridge, but I am still waiting for their prices to become reasonable. The cartridge is accurate and light recoiling which would be very comfortable for children. Basically it is a necked down 7.62x39. Proponents of the cartridge tout its ability to kill deer sized game at distance, but I question this blustering. I agree that it is a good cartridge for deer up to and including 200 yds. There are those who have killed larger game and at longer distances, but I would not be in that belief. There are many other cartridges that are better suited for that. You can kill an deer with a .22lr, but I won't do that either. With that said, distances within its usable power range are very well suited for this cartridge. Of course if you intend to merely punch paper with your rifle, then throw out all the stops and use it for 1000 yd targets as many others do. I like this cartridge a lot but do question some of the claims made about it, just as I question the claims and the abilities of the .300 Blackout (whisper).

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    Gun Shack has a group buy from ER Shaw:

    Savage Small Shank, Magnum Contour, 24 length, 6.5mm (.264") bore, 1-8 rate of twist, 416 Stainless Steel
    Available in the following chambers:

    6.5 Grendel
    6.5x55 Swede
    6.5/06 Ack.
    6.5 Creedmoor
    6.5 Rem. Mag.
    .260 Rem.
    .260 Ack.
    .264 Win. Mag.

    Good price on a stainless barrel.

    I wish Savage would chamber the Lightweight Hunter in 6.5 Grendel. It's a perfect fit for a lightweight carry rifle.
    Savage: 243 Win, 250 Savage, 25-06, 260AI, 300 Savage, 308 Win, 30-06 AR-15: 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC II, 223 Match, 223 Service TC Encore: 6.8 SPC

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    A slight expansion to VA Bigbore's excellent summary:

    1) Bill Alexander says that the Grendel was designed as a deer cartridge for the AR platform.
    2) The cartridge does very well in this role.
    3) While the 6.8 and Grendel are similar in performance at short ranges, the 6.5 bullets tend to outperform the .277 bullets beyond 250-300 yards.
    4) SAAMI has approved specs for the Grendel and the Grendel trademark has been released.
    5) We should see an increased number of offerings towards the end of this year (takes time to do these things!).

    What is a blot gun?

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    Not to "Pick a fight" with VA BigBore... ;D......but I'm gonna disagree on the Grendel not being a viable deer cartridge past 200 yards. If you look at the ballistics as posted on Hornady's web site the 6.5 bullet is pushing out almost 1200-ft\lbs of energy at 300 yards and even at 400 yards you have just over 1000-ft\lbs of energy. The 400 yard shot would be pushing it on a big heavy whitetail.

    I'm a die hard fan of the 6.5 Swede and the only thing I think the Grendel can't do is push a heavy 140gr. bullet well. However, the "rule of thumb" is that it takes 1000-ft\lbs of energy for a bullet to do a quality job of killing a whitetail. So, I would have no problems shooting the Grendel as long as I'm getting those kind of velocities.

    Now, it may be that VA Bigbore is not getting that from the short barrel pistol. In that case, the Grendel may be limited to a shorter distances, and if you look at the Hornady data when it's shot from a 16" barrel, that shows it. On a large whitetail 300 yards may be a push.

    I know that when I take my 7-30 Waters Encore Pistol out, I set up so my shots are no longer than 200 yards. That way there is no temptation to wound one.

    But with a rifle, I think 300 yards would be a good rule of thumb with the Grendel. And here in Pa., heck....a 400 yard shot is almost unheard of. You will hit a hill before you get a shot that long!!!!


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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    Quote Originally Posted by JASmith

    What is a blot gun?
    A blot gun is exactly like a bolt gun....except the firing mechanism resets when you close the bolt instead of when you open the bolt. Gun manufacturers make 'em that way so the average guy gets confused and will send his rifle back to a factory or a "qualified" gunsmith for repairs. Yeah......would I not tell the truth? ;D

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    thanks for the outpouring of information... I have a custom left hander 6.5 Grendel AR upper that I built in August of last year(20 inch AA barrel) and got the oppurtunity to take a couple of whitetail this season and with awesome results the 1st a doe at 80-90 yds (complete penetration to both shoulders with a devastating exit wound) 123 g a-max. 2nd a cull buck at 145yds 123 g a-max complete pass thru one shoulder and exit thru ribcage (also with a nasty hole). i have also printed sub 3 inch groups at 500 yds with this gun and love the cartridge. i think after reading all the info that I can soak up here that I will be pursuing the 6.5 Grendel Savage. Thanks again y'all, ill post pics of the progress as soon as the funding (wife says ok) is available!

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    I love my pta with 20" heavy bull 1:8, I have got this gun figured out for up to 1000 yards.
    I would wish everyone could get one
    Mod. 12 6.5 grendel<br />Mod. 12 300 WSM<br />RRA 20&quot; varm.<br />Bushmaster 24&quot; varm.<br />Marlin 44 mag lever<br />Winchester 94 x 2<br />10/22 x 3<br />Browning maxus sporting 30&quot;

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    awesome lrpv-shooter, i am having a real hard time finding a 762x39 bolt head. also how do you like the 20 inch barrel? i an considering a 22-24 incher but i have some questions regarding barrel length, im sure that there is a "happy medium" length for the Grendel but i do not want to exceed the length of the barrel in leiu of burning up all of the powder before the bullet gets out of the barrel. any thoughts? im thinking 26 is too long. but the longer the pipe the more velocity right?

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    The 6.5 Grendel is an amazing round, my son recently built one for his AR-15 upper.
    No problem hitting a 10" steel plate at 600 yards with 123 grain Amax's over 8208 XBR...from a 20" barrel :)

    If the 5.56 "fanboys" got their heads outta their azzes long enough to be objective, they'd realize there's absolutely nothing that round does that the Grendel doesn't do FAR better- and in fact, it beats the **** out of the .308 out of an AR-10 platform in most respects as well.

    The problem has been AA's marketing, but now that it has SAAMI acceptance, look for a lot more in terms of bullet choices and factory ammunition.

    But keep in mind it was designed to be the optimal round able to be loaded to mag length in the AR-15 platform.

    While it excels at all levels in that application, and as much as I LOVE that cartridge, in a bolt gun my choices would be different. But, we're long range shooters, so the bias is in that direction.

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    Got a 10 CFM in 7.62X39 with a 22" sporter weight Pac Nor, 8tw, Grendel chambered tube screwed on. Shoots 3/4 MOA average and wouldn't hesitate shooting whitetail to 500 yards with it. 123 grain A-Max chrono's 2575 fps and that gives it plenty of retained energy at that range. Remember, "Shot placement is King, adequate penetration is Queen and the rest is just dancing on the head of a pin"!
    "That which does not destroy me, has made a huge tactical error"

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    Mr Majestic, that is awesome! i would not hesitate either, i agree 110% on the shot placement. Since i am getting to be more and more of an accuracy buff at medium ranges i like being able to shoot the grendel without getting my "eyes crossed" by larger calibers constantly. The main reason i want to build a Grendel besides the fact that it would be the only one around the area that i live in, will be for my son in a couple of years to have for his first deer rifle. So my main motivator is a 5 yr old that loves to hunt and be in the outdoors. Then after "his" is complete i may prusue a 300WM with a brake (to tame recoil), but little man comes first.

    @tobnpr, thanks i also agree 110% on the preformance of the 6.5G, those 5.56 guys dont know what good really is. if i mayy ask what calibers do you prefer at "long distance".? I am interested in building a long range gun in the future so any suggestions would be welcome.

    good luck and good chootin y'all!!!

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    Re: 6.5 Grendel

    Quote Originally Posted by muttdog
    i am having a real hard time finding a 762x39 bolt head.
    I have ordered a several 7.62x39 bolt heads from Savage and will have them up for sale at as soon as they come in. I was told they take the same standard extractor/ejector parts.



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