LRP build Tried 4 different scopes run out of left adjustment

[winstsa1]

Windage adjustable rings are a band-aid for a bigger problem. Who would build a nice rifle like this and put crap rings like Millet or Burris Z's. The Warnes are about as economical GOOD ring as there is,,There are lots better,go up in quality not down. Like I said if running out of windage you have other problems .... ???

[fullersson]

+1 for EGW. I really like their stuff. Brian Brown.

[efm77]

EGW's are nice and I have a couple but they don't make steel bases for the long actions which is why I put Warne's on my long actions. Just personal preference. As to Burris Zee or Signature Zee rings being crap? That's a new one on me, I think their quality is very good. Of course there are other more expensive rings out there though but I've never had a problem with Burris rings to make me think they're crap.

[cwop]

neighbor is a champion shooter he swears by burris z rings he doesnt go for the grinding of the scope bases to accomplish what a burris ring will do!

he has shot for many many years.

bob

[Eric in NC]

As to Burris Zee or Signature Zee rings being crap? That's a new one on me, I think their quality is very good. Of course there are other more expensive rings out there though but I've never had a problem with Burris rings to make me think they're crap.

+1

[lal357]

i had a similar problem when a changed barrels i also swapped bases and rings the old rings and base centered good at 300yds.but when i put a egw 20moa base on with burris xtr rings the thing shot way right (1 1/2' @ 100yds) i turned the front ring around and got it close to center(good for right now ) i believe the base may be off after my feb f class match i'm going to replace it with something else. also going to lap the rings this time.

[barrel-nut]

As others have mentioned before, "stacking tolerances" can lead to this sort of problem; ie if the base holes are off just a tiny bit, but still in spec, and then you happen to get a scope base that is off a little in the same direction, and rings likewise, suddenly you have a problem, even though no one piece may be truly out of spec for that manufacturer. Wow, what a run-on sentence!?!

I have a Weaver picatinny rail type base that I described in my previous post that uses filister head screws(thanks SS). Because of this, it has some inherent slop when the screws are loose, so in effect you can use this to your advantage to effect rough windage adjustments when setting it up, thereby canceling the effects of stacking tolerances. Just make sure to tighten these very well.

As SS stated above, with this type of design, there is always the risk of the base moving when the screws work loose even slightly. But, it hasn't moved yet after about 2 years, and the quality is very good for a $40 base, so I'll stick with it. I think it's actually a good choice for someone who's having problems such as what the OP described, as long as you're not depending on the rifle to defend life and limb. Or money.

[Trent]

Windage adjustable rings are a band-aid for a bigger problem. Who would build a nice rifle like this and put crap rings like Millet or Burris Z's. The Warnes are about as economical GOOD ring as there is,,There are lots better,go up in quality not down. Like I said if running out of windage you have other problems .... ???

Care to substantiate that claim?? The Burris Z rings are fantastic. I use them on a few of my competition rifles (both centerfire and rimfire), and I would have no second thoughts about putting them on every rifle I own.

[fyimo]

I was zeroing one of my 30-06 rifles yesterday that I had installed leupold scope base and rings on and at the range I ran out of scope adjustment and couldn't get the rifle to hit far enough to the right. I just loosened the rear windage screws on the mount and moved them in the direction needed and was able to zero the rifle and have adjustment left in both directions. So maybe the shooter needs to get a scope base with windage adjustments in it because there is a lot of side to side adjustment just in that part of the setup.

[barrel-nut]

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Tried to post picture guys, not too good with this stuff...
I really like the Burris Extreme Tacticool rings. Pic is these rings on an EGW 20MOA base. I have to disagree about the Burris rings being "crap". They don't have to cost $150 to be "quality". I bet if Burris boosted the price on these by about $100, suddenly a bunch of these guys would be singing their praises about these "quality" rings...

I hope Burris is not listening!

[lal357]

lol i here that all the time barrel-nut even at the gun club i'm in when i go to the line some of the guys kinda look down at my savages (when they were stock) these are the same guys i beat in f-class each time. on my 223 i have a egw base (heard i should have gotten a farrel) burris extreme rings and a vortex crossfire (told its a cheap scope and will not hold up to get a leupold) holds true tracks true not as good as my sightron i have on my lrpv but cost 1000 less(i will replace in the future). oh and my red accutrigger that beaks at a smooth 8oz. .thier thinking is if you dont spend 3k on a custom gun its not a shooter .on thing i did start doing is use a scope alignment tool and lap the rings.

[barrel-nut]

One thing I discovered (the hard way) is that if you're gonna lap aluminum rings such as the XTR's, it better be a very LIGHT lapping job! Ask me how I know! :'(

I really like the rail system with these rings because it makes swapping scopes as easy as loosening two 1/2" nuts, swapping scopes, and retightening said nuts.

Keep whippin' em with those cheap savages lal357 ;D

i guess my picture didn't make the journey.... I never have figured this out.. HELP!

[Coyotejunki]

A couple of my rifles have the fillister type screws. I bedded the 1-piece base to the rifle. I insert all four screws, but barely and I mean barely snug them down, so as not to warp the base, until it cures. Time will tell in my case if this is going to work.

Luckily my set-up worked the first try. If yours is off when you bed them, then I guess you are SOL..

I suppose you could bed the base and use a bore sighter to line up the scope before it all cures. Then when it is cured and you torque everything down, your scope has enough adjustment to put a true zero on it. My thought is if it is bedded it shouldn't move.

Hope you find a good answer either way.

[fullersson]

Coyotejunki,
Attach your base and scope and sight the rifle in to make sure everything is working like you want. Mark the base and action so that when you bed the base you can line the marks up and you're good to go. Brian Brown.

[stangfish]

One thing I discovered (the hard way) is that if you're gonna lap aluminum rings such as the XTR's, it better be a very LIGHT lapping job! Ask me how I know! :')

Dont have to. Messed up a set of Warnes' that way. Now I us never sieze to lap aluminum.

[efm77]

"I just loosened the rear windage screws on the mount and moved them in the direction needed and was able to zero the rifle and have adjustment left in both directions. So maybe the shooter needs to get a scope base with windage adjustments in it because there is a lot of side to side adjustment just in that part of the setup."

True. And on a mild recoiling rifle they're fine. I wouldn't trust that rear ring though on something with a lot of recoil since there's very little there holding it in place. The front reing takes the brunt of the recoil in that setup. With a Weaver/Picatinny style base and rings you have a much stronger setup for withstanding recoil due to the cross slots and bolts albeit with the lack of windage adjustment you have with the Leupold/Redfield style. But that's where the beauty of the Signature rings shines.

[barrel-nut]

One thing I discovered (the hard way) is that if you're gonna lap aluminum rings such as the XTR's, it better be a very LIGHT lapping job! Ask me how I know! :')

Dont have to. Messed up a set of Warnes' that way. Now I us never sieze to lap aluminum.

Good idea stangfish! I actually never tried it again with aluminum rings after that initial mishap- but it would probably work a lot better with never sieze, or even Flitz polish. Just be careful- if you lap too much, the scope won't be properly SQUOZEN by the rings! ::)

Happy New Year to all!