I put together my "Sabage" 17 fireball for the wintertime fox hunting....but just to keep the gun in shape ;D I take it out on occasion and whack fat 'ol groundhogs with it. Now, shooting the 25gr. Berger bullets leaves tiny entrance holes and usually no exit holes. The second one I believe I "caught" him a bit on the edge of his side.....which "exposed" his rib cage a bit. BUt the first one is a bit female that was only at 60 yards. Anyone want a groundhog coat??? ::) :P

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