i hear savage is gonna chamber this new round that decimates the 17hmr and 22wmr
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i hear savage is gonna chamber this new round that decimates the 17hmr and 22wmr
Sounds like a pretty tempting small game season hog killer!
I'm waiting for a .22 Super Mag to come out next ? .....
perhaps ... that'd be even tastier
Success will depend greatly on the price of the ammunition. Given current 17 HMR ammo prices compared to some .223 ammo prices, the window is pretty small. Factor in the new 17 Hornady Hornet which offers slightly higher velocities and the window gets even smaller.
17 HRM ammo currently runs from $12-17 for a box of 50.
17 Hornady Hornet currently runs $17-20 for a box of 25.
223 Fiocche Extreme 40 or 50gr V-Max is currently $20 for a box of 50
Right now, MidSouth Shooters, hornidy 17hmr 9.99 box of 50.
As I stated in my post - my thoughts immediately went to shooting hogs. Here in the south we have a significant population of hogs ... and they are not considered game animals. The DNR is happy if you shoot them during any open season though ... but you can only carry rimfire guns during small game season (outside of deer season). So, while I could use a 22LR or 22WMR, I'm interested when someone comes out with a more powerful rimfire.
looks to be interesting...
Midway has 17 WMR advertised for 10.79 for 50 for Hornady, cheaper than the 11.69 for 17 HMR. The Winchester prices I have seen were more on the lines of 15 to 17 dollars for 50.
Yea and being Winchester owns this new patent for the .17 Super Mag, I,m thinking it will be 17.00 to 19.00 dollars for 50..
If limited to rimfire it will probly be an excellent choice but if not then I think the 223 would be more practical especially if you reload.
Well, the plus side is this new rimfire with a 25gr. bullet will get 2600fps. That's nice and you don't have to reload. OTOH...the Fireball with that same 25gr. bullet will get you 3600fps, with the same accuracy....and with reloading, at a cost per shot much less than factory .17 Fireball, or the .17 S-Mag.
The Fireball has much better killing power at longer distances (or I should say it will have killing power at the 150yard to 200yard distances, where the S-mag will be a maybe).
Neither will blow up a fur and for fox hunters, this is a big plus. I currently have a Fireball and I one time owned a HMR. I wouldn't switch to anything but the new .17 Hornet because of ammo availability, and the fact that the .17 Hornet has the same ballistics as the .17 Fireball. And both the Hornet and the Fireball are superior to any .17 Rimfire out there...or to be released.
But....that' MHO on it. The .17's are a "niche" rifle caliber that work very well for fur getters. In that little slice of the pie market, they are great. Outside of that....other calibers outshine 'em. But for what they are built for....you can't get better.
Dave
Wow great idea I'm still waiting for a 17 hornet have not found one yet. How long will we wait for this rimfire 2-3 years?????????
http://youtu.be/gdJLUGe06DQ
Grabagun.com shows a street price of $287.98
Thats the coolest thing I've seen from shot yet, I want one.
me too I just called Savage and was told April or May but they did not say what year I do think it will make a great woodchuck rifle and easy for an old man like myself to tote.
Sign me up for one, I'm a rimfire whore any way, this has a very high cool factor
Ed
Winchester is saying about 30 cents a round. Savage saying the B-Max bolt gun chambered for it will be MSRP $349.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFurious
Savage is saying the rifle will be out between the end of this April and early summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Old Boy
Have to figure the same for the ammo.
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Originally Posted by Doug76
Yeah.....they said the .17 Hornet was suppose to be "shipping" in March of 2012 and even today, January of 2013 the shipping is "spotty" at best.
I ordered (and received) from Midway a set of .17 Hornet Hornady dies, 100 pcs, of brass, and just for kicks I included two boxes of factory ammo. I got it all.....way back in May of 2012. It's still sitting on my reloading shelf....under some dust at this point.
Maybe this spring? Tough to say. (I'm speaking of the .17 Hornet now.) So...I wouldn't get too revved up about the "release date" of the .17 mag rimfire.
MHO
Dave
Can't argue with that. I've given up using the "hope" word as it has been grossly misused by a particular someone, but lets say I'm optimistic it will show up relatively soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by davemuzz
Dave i'm with you and. Doug you are in a dream state I think 2014 at best.
Unlikely. I live in reality. At any rate, I did say relatively, and 2014 fits that assessment, but I do in fact think it will be sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Old Boy
I held and played with this exact rifle at SHOT this week.
Plastic stock felt cheap, plastic trigger guard, bolt did not cycle smooth. I was not impressed at all. Both of my current Savage rimfires are much nicer. I hope that the production rifles are smoother and they offer a version with a much nicer stock.
Just my opinion on it at first inspection.
I definitely wouldn't hold my breath on the stock. Look how crappy the Axis and Model 25 synthetic stocks are....seems Savage is still more than content to give us less than suitable synthetic's just as they have been for years.
I'm still looking forward to it and hope it's soon.
Here is another vid that mentions $$$$ and availability of the ammo and availability of the Savage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQpSidQQ8YU
I am so getting one of these as soon as they come out, I think I have one preordered already!!!
Here is a thread about it on another forum:
http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/ri...ag-here-9.html
9 pages of good reading, articles and all the videos that have been published.
You and others in that thread are being VERY optimistic about when these guns will be hitting the market. The couple of reviews that have been done were done using prototypes, and the rifles they had at the SHOT Show were already noticeably different than those used in the reviews. Savage tells people every year March, April or May and the reality is that they guns never show up until July, August and September. And even if the rifles were to hit the market as projected, I guarantee you probably won't see any ammunition until early-mid summer as that's what Ohlin-Winchester has projected.
RevM, just for clarification, here in SC those weapon restrictions apply only for night hunting for hogs (and coyotes) , and for hunting on Game Management lands; any weapon is okay in daylight on private lands. There are exceptions for night hunting, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevM
For coyotes, from the last day of Feb. until, I believe, the first of July, centerfire rifles will be okay at night on private lands, BUT -- between those dates, you must call DNR and tell them who is going to hunt and on what property, AND if you are using a centerfire you must be in a position at least 10 feet off the ground. You only need to do this once for that entire period.
For hogs, you can use centerfire at night any time if you call and get permitted with DNR.
All of this I verified with DNR just last week. Feel free to call them; they are exceptionally nice folks, and they really want us to kill all we can.
pisgah, thanks for checking on that - but my hunting buddies and I only have access to WMA land here near the beach (places with hogs near here are Woodbury, Waccamaw, and Francis Marion) ... hence the interest in a powerful rimfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisgah
Now if the DNR guys would issue permits for those of us who want to hunt hogs on WMA's during the small game season with centerfires ... well then, my interest in the little rimfire goes away.
In Ark. for hogs you can only use a centerfire on public land if there is open season that allows centerfires.
On private land use what you brung 24-7.
>pisgah, thanks for checking on that - but my hunting buddies and I only have access to WMA land here near the beach (places with hogs near here are Woodbury, Waccamaw, >and Francis Marion) ... hence the interest in a powerful rimfire.
Understood. Don't neglect, though, to seek out landowners and ask permission to hunt. We don't have much in the way of hogs in my county, but I have gotten permission to hunt coyotes on five private tracts just this week! That gives me a total of 17 tracts now, ranging from 50 to 800 acres apiece. When it comes to hogs and dogs, people are eager to have them controlled. Once they get used to my coming and going and know I can be trusted, many of them will let me come back for deer and turkeys, too.