I am so tired of all the trash talk about my Savage Edge/Axis

I am so tired of people on other forums, and just people I know talking about how the Edge/Axis is a throw away gun or a gun that is just an old truck gun. I know the Edge/Axis is a entry level gun and has its good points and bad points, but it's not a throw away gun, and a pitcher is worth a thousand words. This is my Savage .308 at 100 yards not the best photo in the world but most will get the point
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The Edge/Axis seems to be an accurate and reliable rifle. I am still of the opinion that if you want to build a rifle the 110/Stevens 200 platforms are a better starting point because of the availability of parts and accessories. As an Entry level gun it is one of the best in its class and I will be steering "newbies" to it, for those who want a hunting rifle or are not interested in building.

I am not saying that the Edge/Axis can't be used to build, but right now the 110 line is just got more options, but the aftermarket companies are starting to catch up with the E/A rifles.

The 25-06 Axis was bought for the sole perpose of hauling around the prairie and mountains. Sure I litened the trigger but otherwise its good to go as is. I could build a Savage/Stevens to do the same thing but its gonna cost more and do very little better!!

Most people who bash the Edge/Axis tend to be those that buy a gun for more than a tool that shoots well. They want to do custom work, want it to look nice, want ever mechanism to be smooth as a baby's butt, etc, etc.... The Edge/Axis also flys in the face of the saying you get what you pay for, and people who spend a lot of money to get the same accuracy as an out of the box Edge usually aren't too happy your sub $300 gun shoots just as well as their $1,000+ gun. With the Edge/Axis, you get way more than what you pay for.

I personally don't understand why you'd by a gun to replace just about everything on it.

Talked to a guy yesterday he has a new edge in 243 three shoots to sight in shoots half in. @ 100 yds.how can ya go wrong.

Maybe it's because I'm old or maybe it's that I like saying screw you. But I just don't care what others think or say. I own two of these guns one in 7mm-08
and one I have yet to give my son for his birthday in .243. These two rifles together cost less than one browning a-bolt (which I have in 25 wssm) . No , they
don't look as pretty but they shoot just as well and I don't think that deer, pig, coyote or what else I go after are going to stop and say to themselves " don't
worry it's only a savage axis " . It's like comparing a Chevy to a Cadillac, they both get you there.
As far as extras.... the larger the market the more likely others are going to jump in. So it's only a matter of time before some republican starts making
after market stuff for the axis/edge. ;D

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Maybe it's because I'm old or maybe it's that I like saying screw you. But I just don't care what others think or say. I own two of these guns one in 7mm-08
and one I have yet to give my son for his birthday in .243. These two rifles together cost less than one browning a-bolt (which I have in 25 wssm) . No , they
don't look as pretty but they shoot just as well and I don't think that deer, pig, coyote or what else I go after are going to stop and say to themselves " don't
worry it's only a savage axis " . It's like comparing a Chevy to a Cadillac, they both get you there.
As far as extras.... the larger the market the more likely others are going to jump in. So it's only a matter of time before some republican starts making
after market stuff for the axis/edge. ;D

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Well said!!!!! I tried get a Second Axis/Edge Saturday from my local gun dealer he was sold out. I am thinking about a .270 or a 7mm08

I kinda have to agree. If you have it and it shoots good, well, F**k em. Just keep shooting it and see what you can do with it. We Savage shooters have been dealing with this kind of ignorance, arrogance and effeteism for years.

I have been shooting Savage rifles since the 60's. I was first attracted by the fact I'm left handed and I have never had a bad one.

The fact that I can change out a barrel or a trigger in about half the time it would take a Remchester and Mauser users to even drive to his gunsmith makes me feel pretty good.

Iilgitimus Non Carbarundeum. Don't let the Bast*rds grind you down. If it shoots, that’s all that’s important.

Keep the faith.

uj

Just think how much you will piss these people off when you out shoot them!
::)

Chip

The review I just read in "shooting times" sure isnt going to help us out any on this....

It has however, taught me to take every magazine review with a teaspoon of salt (up from the grain I was taking previously)

If I were buying a budget gun based on the article, It wouldn't be the edge, as the best 3 shot group they got was 1.45, which is more than half an inch bigger than the best group I have gotten on MY savage Edge, they even used the same caliber I have, .308 win.
Looking at their results they were badly skewed by a type of ammo that NONE of the guns liked, but that the savage disliked twice as much as the other guns.... Add to that, mine didn't really start shooting good till I had about 60 rounds down the tube, which is about how many the fired in the whole review, and well....

In the end the edge/axis came in dead last for accuracy out of the 6 guns with an average group of 2.62" (thats with three, 3 shot groups, out of each of 3 different rifles)
2.62"? really?

Just reinforces my policy to go online and get reviews from actual owners of things I am interested to buy, rather than look to magazines... Though I will admit, this is actualy the first bad review I have seen of this gun, most mags are smart enough to find an ammo the gun likes. Trying to test 6 different guns with only 3 different types of ammo is just plain silly and bound to be far from "truth". I think they made a bad decision testing 3 different specimins of each gun, rather than doing what the rest of us would do and test more types of ammo.

That would be the first review that I've come across saying anything negative about the Savage Axis' accuracy. All of the reviews I've read or watched (online) can't say enough about the accuracy of this $300 rifle and that's the main reason why I bought one.

Well find comfort in the fact that there is nothing more satisfying than spanking someone with a piece of equipment that cost a third of what they paid. You will also find the people with the loudest mouths tend to be the ones with marginal skill and little knowledge. I personally do not own an Edge/Axis rifle but only because I am incapable of leaving anything stock, it's a sickness.

i sure do love mine, and i'm kind of proud that it is an original EDGE in 223, made before they changed the name. shoots like a dream. i've played with it and added a rifle basix trigger. i have a redfield revolution 4-12x on it, a perfect combination. :)
don

I bought my Savage Edge for one reason and that was Deer Hunt with. I bought it last year only because my other gun was stolen. I did not have a lot of money to put into another high dollar gun so I stopped by my local gun dealer and he suggested for me to try the Savage Edge. I bought it and went to the range, and got the scope set. That Saturday I killed a deer with my Edge. I killed three Deer last year with my Edge. I do wish sometimes that they made a aftermarket stock for it but so far nothing. My brother dose work with Duracoat and I am thinking about getting him to paint the stock for me. As for the trigger I will replace it before hunting season this year, and my Savage Edge and I will keep on hunting.

think of the edge as the "junk yard dog" of the rifle world, and everyone wants one of them on their side.
don

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i sure do love mine, and i'm kind of proud that it is an original EDGE in 223, made before they changed the name. shoots like a dream. i've played with it and added a rifle basix trigger. i have a redfield revolution 4-12x on it, a perfect combination. :)
don

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Yea I was bummed when the changed the name before I got mine... I really liked the name edge, and If I had not decided I wanted one before the name change, the name axis right there would have put me off the gun.... Somehow, I didn't really want to hunt with a savage "bad guys of WWII".... LOL...

Well, I had resigned myself to having an "axis", but luckily, I guess .308 doesn't sell that well and they had some old stock, because mine turned out to be an Edge, yay......

Ive got a simmons 8 point 6.5-20x50AO (mil dot) on the way, and am now saving for a rifle basix trigger too ;D

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i sure do love mine, and i'm kind of proud that it is an original EDGE in 223, made before they changed the name. shoots like a dream. i've played with it and added a rifle basix trigger. i have a redfield revolution 4-12x on it, a perfect combination. :)
don

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We've got the exact same setup! An origional Edge in .223 with a Redfield 4-12x40. I may be a bit bias, but the Edge and the Redfield scope were made for each other. They make one slick looking setup.

The edge is an ok rifle, it shoots decent and is cheap. I like cheap but to me the Stevens 200 is a way better rifle. I have had edges apart, put a custom barrel on one and played with them. If you can get a Stevens for the same price I would go Stevens any day of the week.

The Edge/Axis is more than ok its a grate gun for the money. I also like Stevens I have shot one but do not own one. I would like to see aftermarked parts like a stock for one but for now I am happy with what I got and don't see a need in changing it but I might Duracoat the stock and work on the trigger. Other than the trigger pull I think that Savage has got it going on with the Edge/Axis.

Did a trigger job on my edge today and I got to check the weight and I got it down to 3.5 pounds. It shot very well. The trigger is very crisp with no creep.

Don't worry about what other people think. If it pleases you that's all that counts. I had the same trash talk about my Savage 12 bvss when I bought it in 2000. They said it looked cheap and ugly with the barrel nut. Now I see some are converting some Remingtons with the nut. Go figure! To some if it doesn't cost in the thousands it's no good.
Martin

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Don't worry about what other people think. If it pleases you that's all that counts. I had the same trash talk about my Savage 12 bvss when I bought it in 2000. They said it looked cheap and ugly with the barrel nut. Now I see some are converting some Remingtons with the nut. Go figure! To some if it doesn't cost in the thousands it's no good.
Martin

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Think I am over it now sometimes you just got to vent and I guess there is what I did. I love my savage edge. My son likes it to so I guess I will be getting him one this year.

i am not a fan of the axis/edge. but from what i seen they are shooters.i just prefer the stevens 200. i have a 114 classic in 06 that people have been beating up for 5 years at different ranges and clubs. you would be surprised how much a savage still gets beat up on

Ill admit, as much as I love my edge, I do look forward to the day I can get a model 11 fcns, or even better a Model 10 precision carbine *drool*... of course, that may change when I get a decent trigger on my edge.... my edge is definitely a shooter though, under 1 moa with cheap federal factory ammo, and am currently working up a load that looks very promising when I get it fine tuned.... Its just too bad they didn't put an accutrigger on it, I guarantee people would pay $50 more to get an accutrigger....

My Axis in 223 is arriving at my FFL guy this week. I'm excited about being able to buy cheap(er) ammo and still get MOA groups. I already have a Remington 700 in 308 that does MOA, but being 60 yo and having arthritis make shooting a "major" caliber too painful.

Bench shooting a 223 with readily available ammo (or reloads) with an inexpensive-reliable-accurate bolt-action rifle will be a joy ;D

Ok... Here is How I see things with the savage Edge/Axis. They needed to update there intro rifle to equal that with the design of the younger crowd. Stock "looks cool", as compared to the old grey of the Steven's. Almost any deal under 400 bucks camo'd up with a "decent" scope provides the ability for lower end customers to purchase a new rifle, while they mow lawns in high school. And for there kid without breaking there banks, they have the "youth" model. Cheaper production cost from all actions being equal in size, and will take the most common calibers (for prices of ammo really aren't going back to what they were when I was beginning). They have to be extremely accurate and somewhat durable, because kids or possibly younger guys like me that are between 18-25, are going to be hard on there rifles. They have to learn to be accurate with a cheap rifle, only then does it make sense to pay the money for a much better rifle, like my Stevens .223 improved with a Varmint Barrel , to a 7mm Mag in American Classic. I am a "romantic" rifle lover of the Pre-64 Winchester, as my father let me shoot his 22-250 when I was younger. But, if I had to start today, I would still buy the Edge/ Axis. It had problems in the beginning as all new series of rifles do. It is actually the best to start with because it still has the barrel nut.

Kind of reminds me of the saying about Glocks...

"Show your friends your 1911. Show your enemies your Glock".

Tim

I have an axis in 22-250. So far I've done the trigger, stiffened and bedded the stock, did the 10 shot barrel break-in, and just removed the china-Bushnell. I could not find the scope I wanted to mount on it, a $300 Konus so I just received an $800 Weaver, "hmm" on a $250 rifle. Now if some aftermarket place would only do a real stock I could make a real savage out of it. BTW I won the rifle in a raffle, the last savage my wife won was a 17 hmr m93 that sucker cost me $600 to make a real rifle out of it, stock, scope, and trigger. I'm just an old guy on a fixed income that has a hobby that can be expensive

Ive been thinking (about how much I want one in .25-06) about a nice home-made stock. I looked up some walnut blanks online, and they cost as much as the rifle!! Anyone have an old maple/walnut table that I could use? Ive been thinking about finding something of some qaulity down at a rich persons dump 8) Anyone else have any ideas about a wood stocks? Any company out there that makes one?

what ammo are you using ptisd335?

hi, new to the forum as well as new to savage rifles. dont worry about people talking trash, my bet is cause the are impressed by it but dont wanna admit it cause its not a remington or some other brand. i say this cause i shoot a 1911 and am the same about glocks even though they impress me, lol. wife gave me an axis in 30-06 for my birthday. havent got to shoot it yet but just in handling it i really like them, enrty level or not. i grew up in the country and would much rather my rifle be a tuff, reliable shooter than a pretty safe queen.

I picked up my Axis XP .223 rem and took it to the range. Did a quick cleaning of the barrel and oiled the bolt. Then after 10 rounds at 50 yards had the scope dead on. Moved the targets to 100 yards and after half dozen 5 shot groups (using PMC FMJ 55 grn ammo) got a .83" five shot group!
I love this light-weight, inexpensive and DANG accurate little rifle ;D

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what ammo are you using ptisd335?

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I am using Remington core lock 150 grain i have tried some sst 150 but my savage did not like it at all..

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I picked up my Axis XP .223 rem and took it to the range. Did a quick cleaning of the barrel and oiled the bolt. Then after 10 rounds at 50 yards had the scope dead on. Moved the targets to 100 yards and after half dozen 5 shot groups (using PMC FMJ 55 grn ammo) got a .83" five shot group!
I love this light-weight, inexpensive and DANG accurate little rifle ;D

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Very Nice

I don't have an axis/edge but wouldn't hesitate to buy one. From what I have read they are reliable guns.

Been only ale to put 20-30 down range but I REALLY like mine so far. Trigger job is next as I am pulling right. ::)

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I am using Remington core lock 150 grain i have tried some sst 150 but my savage did not like it at all..

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my savage is picky then because i havent found a ammo it likes

Some rifles are like my ex - :o :D

Seriously though changing bullet weights and shape can make a big difference. Also make sure all the scope mounts are 100% tight. Better luck.

The other day I went to see my local dealer and he was out of The Savage Axis but I bought a new Howa Ranchland that he had for a very good price just could no walk away from it 300.00 out the door. I took it to the range along with my Edge/Axis and my Edge out shot the Howa. I wont give up on the Howa and maybe with some fine tuning the Howa will be half as good as my Savage Edge. I love the Edge

my SS is not enough to afford those 1k toys, so, looking for a chuck rifle, I bought an Edge when they were new a few years ago for $259 OTD. Just seen an Edge(not an Axis) in .270 at Wally World last night for $267. never fired any factorys, bought 100 Rem. brass and 100 Sierra 60 gr. HPs and 100 Hornady 58 gr. V-max. load is 47 gr IMR 4350 for either bullet. did a little trigger work till it suited me, topped it with a Bushnell Legand 5-15x40 Mil dot, either bullet will shoot 1/2 to 1 MOA all day iffin I do my part. not too bad for all under $500. now your Sakos and Weatherbys will shoot just as well(mabey), but that chuck that is hit will never know the difference, but my pocketbook sure does. diesel

Just got an Axis in 22-250 and although I had difficulty initially, it's coming along nicely. Question is though, how difficult is it to change to a smoother/lighter trigger - I feel like I'm arm wrestling with the rifle when I shoot a box.
Never having had a varmint load rifle before, I'm wondering how much should I shoot before I will feel really confident in shot placement?

I did my own trigger followed the direction given on this forum it was very easy to do.I can't answer your question about shot placement.
here is the directions I followed on the trigger http://savageshooters.com/SavageForu...c,36088.0.html

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Just got an Axis in 22-250 and although I had difficulty initially, it's coming along nicely. Question is though, how difficult is it to change to a smoother/lighter trigger - I feel like I'm arm wrestling with the rifle when I shoot a box.
Never having had a varmint load rifle before, I'm wondering how much should I shoot before I will feel really confident in shot placement?

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I did the same as ptisd335 on my trigger, mine was smooth and crisp out of the box, just very hard. After finding a roll pin of the correct diameter (.160") and a spring that felt right... it was about the same length, but much softer than the stock spring.... definitely a sweet trigger now and just under 4 lbs.... As for when you will feel confident... well, really only you can decide that.... I have a deer hunt in October, and I am trying to get out and shoot at least every other weekend until then so I can feel really confident with mine in .308.....

Yep,

There are three things that will make you confident in your rifle's accuracy -



Practice ...... practice ............practice ;)

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I'm wondering how much should I shoot before I will feel really confident in shot placement?

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When the bullet consistently hits exactly where you want it to, then you're ready. As far as how long?... That can be different for everybody.

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Just got an Axis in 22-250 and although I had difficulty initially, it's coming along nicely. Question is though, how difficult is it to change to a smoother/lighter trigger - I feel like I'm arm wrestling with the rifle when I shoot a box.
Never having had a varmint load rifle before, I'm wondering how much should I shoot before I will feel really confident in shot placement?

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I did the same as ptisd335 on my trigger, mine was smooth and crisp out of the box, just very hard. After finding a roll pin of the correct diameter (.160") and a spring that felt right... it was about the same length, but much softer than the stock spring.... definitely a sweet trigger now and just under 4 lbs.... As for when you will feel confident... well, really only you can decide that.... I have a deer hunt in October, and I am trying to get out and shoot at least every other weekend until then so I can feel really confident with mine in .308.....

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100 meter shot I think that 109 yards I am shooting a Savage Edge .308 loaded with Noslet BT 150 grain in RP brass Federal primers and 46 grains of 4064 powder it was about 89 degerrs and the wind was blowing from the south east at about 5mph
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the target
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less than one inch moa
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But the shots missed the red dot and look at all the copper that came off the bullets when they hit the target. Have you considered a new barrel. ;D

;D ;D ;D LOL ;D ;D ;D I do need to clean the gun as for the red dot itjust would not stay in one place.

Just envy... Some folks pay big bucks for a big name something or other ...and then an entry-level Savage outshoots it..
They get angry at the Savage owner..they should be getting angry at themselves, for paying big bucks for an also-ran shooter ! ;) ;D

Here' mine an Edge 223,
Usually sight for 375 meter, Last time at the club I was sighting my 7-08 (Winchester 70) ready for hunting,; some ignorant where bashing the Edge /Axiss, Feeling the pressure, I feel the need to go at the truck and bring back mine, After I fired 3 rounds at 100 M. using the 2nd dot to frame the elevation, they see that:
You should see their face.

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