i am looking at building a 308 win on a 12 single shot savage receiver.
where might we discuss such a project
thanks
mike
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i am looking at building a 308 win on a 12 single shot savage receiver.
where might we discuss such a project
thanks
mike
right here mike
OK this is to be an "accurate" rifle. but not a bench rest rifle
308 win 175 smk's or lapua 185's, lapua brass
something UNDER 1 moa out to 800 yards, 1/2 moa would be great but not required.
who has a 308 win single shoot that is a shooter...SINGLE SHOT TARGET ACTIONS ONLY.
WHAT BBL
what stock
the action and accutrigger are paid for as is a accustock...may or may not keep stock.
would love to hear from some criterion shooters.
I set up my 12FV (small shank) as a single shot in 308 with a Shilen Select Match barrel in 10 twist. It would shoot off the shelf FGGM .308 168 gn and 175 gn ammo well under a minute at 200 yds. Handloads are even better, holes touching. The second .308 i built was on an 11 action, polished blue, and a stock Savage sporter barrel also polished blue. Came out beautiful and shot 175 gr Precision hunter ammo so well I didn't bother to do a hand load workup. It's my pig and deer gun. It's quite light, and kicks like a mule!
Mike, several of us have factory 12 varmint rifles in .308 that will do 1/2MOA on a regular basis. Mine does under MOA at 1000yd if I get the wind right. I shoot mine as a single shot, although that's not what you were asking :)
I think a target action with criterion barrel will do much better. Will follow and see how yours does.
Factory Savage 308 FTR's shoot very good most of the time. Pillar and bed and it gets better. Put a Shilen or even a Criterion on it and they shoot great. But Mike, you are no amateur and this isn't close to being your first savage build. So what gives?
i have given up on mag fed savage rifles. they lack structure/bedding surface.
so i have sold most of my savages, have two on their way out.
and am looking at the singe shot actions.
not an out right 'bench rifle" but a target rifle. more than hunting accuracy, a little less than br accuracy.
i am looking at either a lilja or a krieger as a shouldered/no nut or "maybe" a criterion drop in.
i will start with an accu trigger and an accu stock.
i would like to do turned necks and lapua brass, maybe palma brass.
1/2-1 moa out to 800 yards is the goal.
this is the donor rifle( bbl is already sold)
6 BR Savage Model 12 LRPV; Factory hvy SS 26" bbl w/1-12" T <300 rnds; Factory syn stock w/g-bedding over bedding block, Black; Factory Accu 1½ lb trig
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Originally Posted by Robinhood
For 800yd why not just use the 6BR? It should be accurate enough as is. I understand if it isn't. I also understand wanting a .308 as it is one of my favorite cartridges (and qualifies for F/TR).
you have not seen my stock piles of 308 supplies!,
and i have a 6br, but limited supplies( plus a 30 br, 6 dasher).
maybe 7-8 308's 3 ar10s, multiple bolts in 308......no single shots.
or as they say
"cause I want to!"
(isnt ftr prone ?? i do not shoot prone...)
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Originally Posted by charlie b
Really doesn't matter which of the mid-tier barrel you run with.
Shilen, Criterion, McGowen, Douglas, Pac-Nor, X-Caliber...take your pick. All similarly priced, all will deliver sub-moa accuracy.
No difference in accuracy whether a shouldered, or nutted barrel. More about aesthetics, but that comes at a cost unless you're doing the lathe work yourself.
As the saying goes, "pick a winner".
I tend to agree with this. When you step up to a cut rifle barrel consistency improves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tobnpr
Mike: F/TR is prone, as is F/Class.
sorry but i disagree.
i do chamber my own bbls
no x caliber no mcgowen no shilien no douglas...
lilja or kreiger, if i do a prefirt criterion
i do not do "mid"
your standards and mine are not the same.
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Originally Posted by tobnpr
Good a reason as any!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinco
And no, I don't do prone either anymore :) IIRC there is a provision in some clubs for bench F/TR but not at the nationals, I think.
We're not in disagreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinco
I have no idea what you mean by us having "different standards".
Your criteria was "something UNDER 1 moa out to 800 yards, 1/2 moa would be great but not required."
So why would I have a customer spend the additional hundreds of dollars on a cut-rifled barrel, when they just told me the accuracy from a button-rifled barrel is more than adeqaute?
I'm a bit puzzled as to why you even asked the question, given the depth of knowledge on the subject you say you have...
my first reply clearly says
I DO NOT DO MID(tier quality bbls)
which is why i said our standards differ.
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Originally Posted by tobnpr
tobnpr, Mike may be a barrel snob but for a reason. It is his money and his rifle. I do agree with you that his posted requirements are attainable with mid tier barrels. Your chances of getting a hummer with a cut rifled barrel may be a lot higher.
If me, I'd go to the heavy 7mm side of the world but I understand
your supply pile for .308's. I'm mainly a Single shot Savage shooter.
I had such a huge supply for everything Creedmoor that had me
doing the hard math of liquidating inventory, To feed my 7mm wild
cat habit's. I shot The Creedmoor with Criterion barrels, and with
no regrets, but it just got boring. My Brux 30" 7.5 twist, 4 groove
barrel never seen the reamer.....Just made a trade to a Good friend
and gunsmith that's building a 6.5 PRC. Barrel, boxes of Berger 144's
150 Sierra's, and 140 RDF's. Effectively, my home supply chain is
leaned more to the 7mm's, and Bartlein with a second Bartlein on the
drawing board. One thing that is a constant though, it seems the
Savage Target action get's layed on the bench first. I guess some
things never change.
what is the od of the savage target action ( LRPV action)
Same as the rest ...1.350".
thanks..
needed to know before ordering a bblQuote:
Originally Posted by sharpshooter
so i went with a LILJA MK13 MOD 7 bbl blank
this is 1.25 dia, BREECH can finish at 26" at .8" MUZZLE, but i will be doing 24".
basically in stock should be here soon.
if i can find a min spec 308 reamer i will use that then use my 30 cal throater for 185 gr 2.82 COAL.
CRIRERION has a bbl that would work but i have never used them and did not feel like gambling.
their mk118lr chamber is almost perfect for the 185( it is set up for the 175 smk)
I was the same way. I shot Shilen and got one that was not a real shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinco
I wanted to be able to switch barrels quickly on one of my target actions.
I went with a Criterion just to see. After about a month, I ordered another.
Second barrel with the .264 140 RDF's had me under 1/2 MOA at 500 yards.
Both barrels were 24" heavy varmint with 11 degree target crown. Criterion
is a decent barrel. In the early days they were the button Kriegers, then
moved to there own facilities.
so the bbl shipped TODAY. will be here wednesday.
so much for waiting for a bbl to show up.
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Originally Posted by mikeinco
What degree is your throater Mike? When I was setting up my chamber for the 185 Chad Dixon offered advice that I feel took it to another level of accuracy. I'm interested in your approach as my COAL was longer than 2.820.
the throater is 1.5 degree. i may not need it if i use a "palma match reamer" only time will tell.
The Palma and a 1 degree throat is how mine was done. I don't know if the 1 degree delta difference has an impact or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinco
there has been a ton of real world testing done with bench rest quality shooters and rifles, and essentialy everyone is still shooting 1.5
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Originally Posted by Robinhood
so the "rifle" showed up today. stock, action, trigger, recoil lug and bbl nut.
this will not be a nut bbl,,,so that is excess,,,ss finish.
the previous owner was shooting some sort of competition and the action has been bedded to the alum chassis/stock.
an excellent job but i will have to remove all ahead of the recoil lug. my bbl is a little larger in dia.
but the stock is much better than the 10 cabelas special that had an alum channel in it..much stiffer
now the ACTION. a nice heavy beast with a wasted poorly fitted bolt...flops all over the place.
SO BIG QUESTION..
has anyone sent an action out to be sbn coated ?( several names for the process)( sbn, qpq,melonite, nitriding
i would like to do the bbl bolt head and action.
concerned about the heat, but bbls are done all the time.
anyone ??
thanks
so being a little slow on the up take...
i just noticed the stock is an H S PRECISION stock...not an upgraded savage stock
very nice
You should contact Savage about nitriding the action.
The temperatures involved (it is a heat treatment) will change the metallurgy- only they will know whether it can be done without adversely affecting it.
The custom M700 clones are nitrided by the manufacturers for that reason.
That's also the reason it's much more common to go with DLC on receivers.
thanks, i'll look into it
continues in the members build forum
thanks