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Does anyone here have real world experience with the Jard aftermarket trigger for Savage 110 series rifles? Have used the older SSS Competition trigger (no longer in production) and Rifle Basix SAV-2 before, but saw Jard now offers a replacement that will adjust well down into ounces for the pull weight. This is for a mid '90's pre accutrigger Model 12FV. Thanks in advance.
I would also like to hear of any one using the Jard trigger. I have both the SSS and the Sav2 on my Savage target rifles. It would be hard to beat the SSS, but never felt comfortable with the Sav2.
It just came out. It is twice the price of previous savage target triggers. Give it a week or two!
I have one, installed on accutrigger action with no problems. Tried it on non accutrigger & it will not fit. The accutrigger safety is .248" top to bottom & the non accutrigger is approx. .305''. The accu safety did fit & function in the non accutrigger, without the safety button. I am thinking the non accutrigger will work, if .060'' give or take is taken off bottom of safety, spring & screw removed, three notches put in safety to match accutrigger. The Jard comes with the safety spring in the assy. Having both safeties on hand to compare may make this easier to comprehend. Installing of the Jard in accutrigger is very easy, remove trigger & bracket, sear & spring ,they are not used, install trigger using original trigger pin & adjust.
How does the Jard compare with the SAV2 set for about 8 oz.
Do some internet searching. There are several discussions about the NEW Jard Savage replacement trigger. The customer support is supposed to be great as well as the engineering. Keep in mind that Jard offers 2 Savage replacements, the newest one even uses a replacement sear rather than the pressed steel Savage sear and is a lever trigger. I understand the only origional part you use is the pin.
Here is a link http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thr...igger.3982059/
I am very interested in this in the 6oz model for BR target shooting. The price is a shocker. But if it performs like a Jewel or B&A in a Savage, I guess it could be worth it.
IF it truly is a contained unit that needs NO Savage parts other than the mounting pin, IE; "plug & play" then it will be worth it to me.
So, what is the result? Are these things any good?
Trying to get one of these in for review but I can't seem to get a response back from Jard.
hey aren't the best at "prompt" reply's , at least that was my experences when I asked about the Savage trigger as well as when I tried to get their AR trigger to workQuote:
Originally Posted by J.Baker
I just got this new trigger, and the information posted by others is for the most part accurate. Some things have changed from the way it was first announced. Instead of being sold in specific weights, it is now offered in 7 to 12oz, or 13 to 18oz. It is also offered in top bolt release or bottom bolt release. I ”think” the bottom bolt release is used for Accutrigger models, but I’m not sure about that, all my actions are top release. My safeties are 3 position, but as mentioned above, the bar is too thick to work with this trigger. Savage must have made a different safety bar some were along the way that I have not seen?
I received the trigger extremely fast after ordering. I installed it and had some questions. I called Jard and spoke to Dean. We had a very productive conversation. I am convinced Jard wants to produce the best trigger possible for Savages. This trigger has no stamped out sheet metal parts, and is well made. Therefore, the cost was $227.45 to My door.
Dean gave Me some tips on setting the pull weight, and I currently have it set at 8ozs. So far, I can’t make it slam or bump fire. I have great hopes for this trigger and I am convinced Jard is commitment to helping us get what We need. We should work with them.
If we can’t get or don’t have the proper Savage safety bar, Jard offers it as a quality made, machined part, for $49.95+$5.95 shipping. We are now at $283.35 for this trigger. People say “we get what we pay for”. I say “I hope I get what I pay for”. So far this looks to be the solution I hoped for. We may need to help Jard smooth some things out along the way, but I’m ok with that.
Looking forward to hearing from others. Thanks :redface-new:
What stock are you going to use ??
Stock? Well, I have a choice of all the usual suspects, but at this time, I am modifying a 12fv stock into a bench rest stock. Go ahead, laugh. The new trigger fits in there just fine. If that’s why You ask ?
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Originally Posted by GrenGuy
I askl, because there is "notice" on the NSS 's site that says the Rifle Baxis -2 WILL NOT fit in the A$$USTOCK, Since I only shoot from a bench too, maybe I need to look for a stock that my un trained termites { Dermal & EZ Cut tools} can get the Tactical Bbl. action to fit into.
I don’t have any Accustocks or Bottom Bolt releases, and I don’t intend to. I like the old stuff. A while back I looked into an Accustock, and had a bid in on one on eBay. I didn’t get it, and after thoroughly looking into it, I decided it was not for Me. Pillar bedding is what I prefer.
Bought the Jard 3 lever trigger and could not get pull weight lower than 1 pound 1 ounce, ended up screwing up the trigger spring. Emailed Jard trying to get a replacement spring with no luck. put my accurizer trigger back in and it works better than the Jard. If I had it to do over I would not buy the Jard trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenGuy
^ I don’t know why You had the communication problem, but I had no problem calling Jard and getting answers and solutions. Others on the net have spoken highly of Jards customer service.
It's been my experience dealing with them in the past regarding one of their AR triggers, is that they are really slow in answering e mail's, call them
If you want to get rid of it let me know. I have a friend.............Quote:
Originally Posted by blvedere
Thanks for the offer, but don't need to get rid of it at this time. Am going to try and get a replacement trigger spring with a lower trigger pull. I have a couple of Fred's triggers (SSS) and find them hard to beat, had a couple more on order when he stopped making them. I paid $160 for one and $ 187 for the other. I think the Jard is more cosmetic appealing than functionally any better,although you can't buy any more SSS.
blvedere...the Jard part # for the 7oz to 12oz spring is “1616”
“. “. “. “. “. “. 13oz to 18oz spring is “1059”
Call 712 324 7409, You will probably talk to Dean Van Marel. I am confident He can provide what You need.
I now have the safety bar installed, and My trigger has settled out to a 7oz pull weight. I cannot make it slam fire or bump fire. I have found it to be like the SSS trigger, and others, the sear engagement setting is perhaps more important to the pull weight than the trigger spring.
There is a “but”. The trigger has creep. I have not been able to get it out or reduce it. I will continue to work on it.
Good Luck :cool:
edit...I touched all the screws with blue locktite after final adjustment. Hopefully, this will keep everything as it is.
Gren, Would you mind doing a review with pictures. If Jim makes it an article he would probably store the pictures on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenGuy
Robinhood...let Me see what I can put together. I’ll be in touch.
What the Jard has over any other trigger is being equipped with a NEW Sear. My preference for the stock Accutrigger has been, in part, BECAUSE of this very thing! I’ve never understood an aftermarket trigger system which still uses the crappy stock sear. So I’ve always preferred just stoning the edges flat & setting up the stocker.
But the Jard cures this issue by replacing the crappy stamped metal sear with a nicely machined alloy steel unit. Very nicely done! I still don’t believe I’ll be swayed, as I prefer the “hint” of 2-stage feel the Accutrigger provides. I do however, certainly see the allure of the Jard. And it seems the hands down winner for those using their Savage in competition.
Dave, I agree with what you say. However I cant do it without shimming and or larger pin. The rocking of the factory trigger drives me nuts. I have threaded pins that fit the pivot hole tighter using the nut to close down the side play and been happy. Made shims out of soda can material to stop side play. All of those I have been happy with. None of the non Accutrigger compared to a SSS trigger safety wise. Like you say the pin on the side of the bolt requires that Savage make some crappy stamped steel sear that makes an aftermarket trigger either need to address the issue or use a savage piece. That drives the cost up for a maker to make it right. Jards original Savage trigger also had a redesigned sear. They are the only ones that address that issue. I do think the SSS unit would sell for more than it did with the Jard charging Trigger Tech Diamond Prices.
Oh absolutely! Same here...the slop in the stocker is unbearable. So, gets shimmer obviously. I use custom made brass shims as in the pic below. Haven’t tried a new pin though. Also, I do understand that while easy it is for people like you & I Robin, most are not equipped with the knowledge and/or tooling to perform a trigger job. Most anyone can swap springs, and use a Dremel/sandpaper on the parts, but a custom trigger set up is a different story.
https://i.ibb.co/KG5dp5X/1081-ED61-F...6-D6063143.jpg
Yes, I did come across the original Jard trigger as well. Sure enough, it uses its own sear as well. I wonder if that one is still available. But you said it brother! The price of the new Jard is too rich for my blood.
Robinhood, PM Sent
After several weeks of playing phone tag with Dean, I can finally say I've got one of their triggers en route for review.
Excellent. As always we can be assured of a well thought out and fair assessment. Looking forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Baker
This is excellent news. Therefore, instead of attempting an amateur review, I will yield to J Baker to do a proper, thorough review that He is known for.
Looking forward to reading your review Jim.
If you still want to do one that's cool with me, or you could send me a paragraph or two with your final impressions and I can include that in my article as well to provide a second view point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenGuy
Jim
I will be interested to see if it will fit into an accustock -
Won't be able to help you there as I don't own an AccuStock rifle. However, they offer their newest design in both top and bottom bolt release versions and with the AccuStock having been around awhile now I would imagine it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter0302
Got in touch with Jard and got a replacement trigger spring, only cost me $8.40. So much for customer support.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenGuy
Was looking at Jard's website today and it clearly notes that installing this trigger in an AccuStock will require some minor inletting for clearance in those stocks. So, if you have an AccuStock you'll need a Dremel and small grinding stone to remove a bit of the aluminum skeleton for clearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Baker
Jim, the only thing I can add to what I have already posted is, I have not been able to get the creep out of the trigger. The safety slide bar, provided by Jard, does not have an adjustment screw in it like the older Savages. The bar has a good bit of up and down slop, and I’m speculating this could contribute to the creep. Or maybe I need to work more with the safety adjustment screw? So far, for a trigger that cost more than a Triggertech, it does not break like glass. I’m looking forward to Your evaluation and review, and will hopefully find out what I am missing or doing wrong.
Thanks, GG
For a trigger that cost as much as this one, I don't think you should have to keep tweeking on it to make it work as advertised. Just my opinion in comparing it to a SSS.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenGuy