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so I seen Walmart has the Axis II XP for like 450 after tax..
im wanting to get it in 6.5 CM.. the one im looking at has camo stock and it has havy barrel..
im also looking at the model 11 th in 6.5 it does not have camo stock or heavy barrel
the rifle I choose to buy will be used to hunt predators and varmints here in west texas
are there stock issues with the Axis II XP with it being flimsy near the barrel and causing scope zero issues? I heard there are
Most budget rifles come with the cheap flimsy stock! The 11 will hold its value better and has a lot more options on the aftermarket,the axis will be minute of critter accurate out of the box. The poi varies slightly but it’s not a huge deal!!! Most critters will be providing at least 4” of mass to hit, it may shift 1/2” at a 100.. not a huge deal but that 1/2” accumulates down range. If one was planning to shoot beyond 500 yards, I imagine a stock and a custom barrel would be in order for any factory rifle . If you plan to resale get the 11.. if your adding to your inventory then you can’t go wrong with the axis and the money saved buys more shells !
Others may disagree, but in my experience the "flimsy" stock only becomes an issue if you are shooting off a bipod. The fore end has too much flex to allow proper use of the bipod, so if your plans include one you'd be better off with a stiffer stock. If, like me, you find a bipod more of a burden than an aide in your type of hunting, the standard stock will be fine.
I have what I call my "Walmart gun" a Axis II with the heavy barrel camo stock in 6.5 CM. Its a Walmart exclusive. I can not find fault with the stock. I mashed the forend tip as hard as I could and and a dollar bill will still slide without touching but I must admit I dont use a bipod I really dont like them myself. The short heavy barrel is handy but you do lose fps with its 22 inch barrel. Investment wise I dont think they will ever become valuable but from reading on this site many love to customize them. You could call it a mondorn day Mauser with all kinds of parts you can buy for it. Main thing is have fun with it! If you want a HB gun with a 26 inch HB look at the Cabelas 12FV.
bipods are okay but I have a pair of homemade shooting sticks that I place the barrel on when I take my 243 out.. which its a Savage and I love it
I have also considered getting another 243 and setting it up with custom stuff for calling varmints etc... but I am really like what I am seeing with the 6.5 creedmoor
The 6.5c looks impressive for the long range (1,000+) but I hold out on the new whizbangs personally . If it’s around in another 20 years I’ll think about it.. your 243 will do everything you want for varmint and some ! If you need more umph a 308 is never bad to have around and there’s tons of data on the cartridge as well as huge supplies of various ammo.
If you reload the 243, it’s in my opinion the most under appreciated long range round! Most of the commercial loads are setup for smaller shooters/smaller game. You can roll some hot 243 aka (6.5mm);) and not need the 6.5c
Actually it's 6mm, not 6.5. The advantage to 6.5 is heavier bullets with a better ballistic coefficient. Nothing wrong with the .243, but I'd choose a 6.5 as ranges stretch out. But, then, I have a long-running love affair with the 6.5s. Nothing a 6.5 Creedmore can do that a 6.5x55 can't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyHorse_7.62
I stand corrected :)
well I also like guns lol.. I have a .308 .243 two savage 22 rimfire.. 17hmr etc...
I seen the damage the 6.5 creedmoor did to a coyote im not a pelt guy so lol..
I think I may just have to get me the 6.5cm..
The Creedmoor has been out for 11 years and gains a little more popularity each year.
I know local academy an wal mart sell a lot of the 6.5cm.. the stores have told me so they sell a lot of the ammo also..
I am hoping by Friday when I get paid I can get the rifle.. not a fan of the bushnell scope for it but it will work for now.
I am a fan of vortex so more than likely that's what will go on the rifle is a vortex... and the gun has the accutrigger which is one of my favs
I have an Axis II XP... no problems this afternoon in staying zero'd for me. I have a standard tapered barrel. As an aside, it could use a muzzle break.
You'd be better served looking at the Savage 12FV that Cabelas sells... Not sure if you have one close or not.... It's cheaper and is 3 times a better rifle then an Axis or Axis II.
the Savage 12 FV isn't cheaper at Cabelas its 419.99 before tax and I whould have to drive 3 hrs to go get it...
the gun at wal mart is 398 before tax plus a scope no its not the best.. but get me by till I can get a vortex
anyone have any idea on how much the gun from wal mart with the hb weighs
I have a Axis ll XP in 308 and it's a great gun; very accurate. I did make some changes, but it was only personal preference. First I didn't like the base/rings (the base came loss on several occasions), so I replaced all with Leupold. Further I also replaced the Bushnell scope with a Leupold V-2. It's not that the Bushnell scope is bad, but the optics are clearly it's Achilles heal; it's hard to explain, but you can see you are looking down a cheap scope. I also replaced the stock with a Boyd; they had a classic style for $150.00, so for me it was a no brainier. Again there is nothing wrong with the OEM synthetic stock, but I am used to a rigid stock, and the Boyd fit the bill.Quote:
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its still a toss up between the 11/111 and the axis ii xp from wal mart.. I thnk its kind of cool that it is a wal mart exclusive gun cause I find nothing on it on the savage webpage
the 11/111 will serve you better... It's a far better platform to build from (if you decide to do that) and the aftermarket support is far greater than the axis lines.
The only reason I bought an axis xp II was because my gun store had a massive sale on them and were out of .243 111s, which were also deeply discounted. Side by side you can see the cheapness of the axis.
well we are getting a new bigger academy and it opens Friday so I am going to go there and look for an 11/111 possibly I got a 20% off coupon.
so I am hoping they will have some in stock on the model 11/111 website says its online order only though heh
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I'd go 11/111 anytime the price is in the same neighborhood. I like the action more, I like the Bolt more on the 11/111. But the axis ain't bad if it's all you've got around.
If you have an Academy around... they do price match + 5% off major retailers (Walmart & Cabela's included).
Cabela's would randomly have ads for the Axis II XP (With the Weaver Scope), wood stock on sale for $299.99. Go to an Academy and show them the ad and have them price match. It comes out to about $285 before tax. Don't forget the $50 rebate they often have for the Axis series as well.
I got my Axis II XP in 30-06. With Hornady's .30cal affordable 150gr FMJ in handloads, I get 0.22" groups (0.528" - 0.308") at 100 yards. A bipod, a sandbag, and a solid rest yielding 0.22" group out of an Axis II priced below $250... I was dumbfounded. Maybe I got a fluke rifle, but I ain't complaining.
I just bought the AXIS II in 223 at Wal-Mart for $419 out the door. Heavy barrel, a Bushnell 4-12x40 scope, 22-inch barrel, camo finish, AccuTrigger, haven't shot it yet but for the price you can't beat a Savage. I was considering the Remington 700 ADL in 223 for the same price but it has a blind magazine instead of the drop-box mag which I much prefer.
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Got the same gun .bought a couple years ago . Looks different with the pepper Boyd’s in it now
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I also started with the Axis II in .223HB. It has been a great shooter for the price. But, for the small difference in price I'd go with the 12FV. Yeah, the Axis comes with a scope, but, if you are going to be doing a lot of work with it you'll want to replace it anyway.
The plastic stock on my Axis has done ok while working off a bipod. Yeah, it flexes a bit, but, the barrel channel is generous and it doesn't touch the barrel, even under 'load'.
Me? I went all in and got a 12BVSS :)
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Came across an Axis XP II in hardwood today new at Smokey Mountain for 329 shipped plus a 60 dollar rebate. Comes with a basic 3-9x40 scope.
Been wanting a creedmoor for a while. Been wanting something hardwood too. Seems like a great deal. Dont expect a lot out of it beyond 500 yards but my first bolt action was a savage in 223. Got rid of it for an AR. Should have kept it.
I cant help but think the hardwood stock is better than the flimsy complaints in synthetic I have read..
Good deal? Should I grab it. I can always throw a better scope up there.
What do you plan to use it for? I have a regular Axis with the plastic stock and it is just fine. The 6.5 works well with the proper ammo and shot placement well past 500 yards. I was helping a buddy on his elk hunt two weeks ago and after he shot his elk with his 7Mag another one popped out in the distance. We called over another hunter who had a tag, ranged the bull at 885 yards. He lay prone and adjusted his scope, high end Leupold, and put a 147gr Hornady into the heart. Bull went 30 feet and was done.Quote:
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400-600 yard target shooting. I dont hunt.
My Walmart special Axis can routinely shoot .5" groups at 100yd (.223). 1.5" groups at 300yd. Shot it at 400yd with 77gn Matchkings. Just over 2" group. I am going to be trying it out at 600yd to see what it will do.
I have a Model 12 as well. It shoots as well as the Axis but not better (.308). The bolt is smoother on the 12 but I can't deny the Axis is capable of being a very good shooter.
When my Axis started showing potential I went out and got a Boyd's stock for it, just because I wanted something prettier than the camo plastic. It improved my shooting a bit since it added some weight. Could have just added weight to the camo stock but it still would have been 'ugly' :) Since I wanted to go longer ranges I treated myself to a new scope for Christmas, a Vortex 4-16x.
If I were to look for a new rifle it would be another Savage. Unless there was a really good deal on a 10/11/12 out there I'd probably get another Axis with a heavy barrel.
Here's another option for the HB Axis II.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst....cfm/ID/165269
Did not notice if that wood stock axis has a heavy barrel or not. To me a std contour barrel is a deal breaker.
Here's mine dressed up in a boyds stock. Shoots good.
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Great looking rifle. I was thinking about buying a Tikka in 223 but this Axis thread has me thinking better.
This particular model with the hb is diamond in the rough. Another one is the 12 fv from bass pro and cabelas. Two major points on each. The fv has a 26" barrel or 24 maybe...which means heavier....vs the 22" axis. And the mag catch on the stock axis is flimsy.
Other than that....decent factory barrel and an excellent factory trigger...They are hard to beat and leave you $$$ leftover vs what I've seen tikkas go for.
Mine ran...
$265 for the rifle
$174 for the boyds with a metal trigger guard
$149 for cdi bottom metal
And the desert tactical model is is another great option they just rolled out.