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Savage 110 30-06 inquiry
Howdy folks. I am a shiny new member as of today. I have been recently passed along a Savage 110 30-06 with serial number 149xxx. I have done some searching online and on this forum and can't seem to find an exact answer as to what the manufacture year of my rifle is. I have yet to actually call Savage. My rifle appears to be in great shape. My plan is to maximize this rifle for hunting purposes and I am completely open to any ideas or links to other threads describing preferred modifications. The first step (from what I can tell) is to see what exactly I have here. I can also add that the barrel only says "Model 110" (no letters after the 110). Any advice would be greatly appreciated! I am looking forward to posting any and all mods I do to the rifle here for others to see/benefit. Happy to add photos to this thread as soon as I figure that process out. Thanks again.
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My apologies, the s/n on the barrel is actually 49xxx - just 5 digits. Thanks.
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It was made sometime between 1958 and 1968, as in Nov. of 1968 they started using the letter prefix on the s/n to indicate those firearms that were produced after the Gun Control Act of 1968 went into effect.
If the rear sight is mounted on an enlarged bulge on the barrel, that tells us it was made between 1958 and 1966. 110's built in this time frame also have a different bolt-head and barrel breech design as shown in the following photos.
Pre-1966 style is on top, newer style on bottom
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...omparison2.jpg
Pre-1966 style is on the left, new style is on the right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...omparison1.jpg
Based on the limited s/n data I have on these early 110's, yours should fall somewhere in the late 1963 to early 1965 range. To narrow that down you will need to find the date stamp on the barrel which is a number and letter inside a circle (assuming it's the original barrel). The letter will indicate the year made.
P = 1963
R = 1964
S = 1965
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Thank you Mr. Furious. Great info. I believe my bolt is the top one (pre-1966). Working on posting some photos today. If this gun is pre-1966, I will be astonished. It does not look like it has been used much at all - hard to look at this gun and think that it is over 50 years old. More to follow and thanks very kindly.
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I have worked with an older 30-06 like yours. I proved to be very accurate. hope yours works out for you. Keep us posted
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Just tried posting photos in post above. I cant tell if it worked. Used simple copy/paste on iPad. So far, I am just seeing 7 empty white boxes where there should be photos.
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Can someone please assist me with this? Apparently, I am less intelligent than a caveman. Ive read the instructions for posting a photo which were written in 2012 and refer to getting a photobucket account, which I don't have, nor do I really want. Just want to simply post photos from my photo library on my iPad. Very simple I know - I must be missing something. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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What your missing is following the instructions regarding posting pictures.
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Well, I read the instructions that I could find here on posting photos dated in 2012 and it mentions needing a second membership to a photo service website and mentions Photobucket. I don't have a "Photobucket" account - is that really required just to post pictures? I just simply snapped some photos with my iPad and wanted to post them on this thread - nothing complex at all. Thanks very kindly to anyone who can give me some quick guidance for a simple way to post photos that are sitting in my photo library on my iPad just one click away.
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I hate to sound like a broken record (for those who remember those) but follow the instructions. The limiting factor is the web site design.
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I worked on one of the newer style. I replaced the factory .30-'06 barrel with a 22" skinny factory take-off .308 Win barrel from Northland Shooters Supply for $85. I diamond-lapped the barrel. The action was placed in an olive/black web Bell & Carlson Medalist stock from Stockys Stocks, and it was bedded with AcraGlas gel in the Savage fashion (float the rear tang, bed the front and lug). The photo I kept from the shooting test shows 5 shots from 100 yds. in 0.45" center-to-center. The original trigger with the blade that prevents movement in the setting is still on the rifle, and is too good to replace. Topped with a Bushnell 4-15 power scope.
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Catfish676
My earlier post did not read the way I intended them to read, didn't mean to sound like a a##.
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Ok I will proceed as instructed and get the photo service account and post the photos. My apologies, it just seems very cumbersome given current technology. I am very appreciative of the interest in this thread.
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You may have difficulty finding a barrel to fit this model as the bolt head is different than it's decendants... I got rid of a 110L because I could not get a barrel for that design. Savage doesn't keep the prints any more, and you would have to have one custom made..$$$$
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Cant you replace the old bolt with a modern one?
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Finally - The Revelation (I hope)
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Robinhood
Cant you replace the old bolt with a modern one?
I honestly don't know, I looked into keeping the receiver to start a build, and had a couple of people answer that the barrel ends are different, and one has a recess cut for the bolt. Since it would require me to replace both the bolt AND the receiver, I gave up. I never looked into whether it could be done.. only that it would cost more than a shiny new FCP..:cool:
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mbohuntr
You may have difficulty finding a barrel to fit this model as the bolt head is different than it's decendants... I got rid of a 110L because I could not get a barrel for that design. Savage doesn't keep the prints any more, and you would have to have one custom made..$$$$
This is useful data. I'd love to hear more on this. I'm willing to spend some $$$ on this gun for upgrades if you guys as experts feel like it would be worth it. Or perhaps the expert consensus is to just leave it as-is. For the record, I have not shot it yet. Just tried to add photos again - maybe it worked. Thanks kindly folks.
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The one thing that I immediately wanted to do when I took possession is replace the stock and optic. Both are in nice shape, but so dated.
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mbohuntr
She's a beauty!
Thanks. Photos worked finally!
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Catfish676
This is useful data. I'd love to hear more on this. I'm willing to spend some $$$ on this gun for upgrades if you guys as experts feel like it would be worth it. Or perhaps the expert consensus is to just leave it as-is. For the record, I have not shot it yet. Just tried to add photos again - maybe it worked. Thanks kindly folks.
A custom barrel maker might be able to make you one, Mine was a beater owned by an Alaskan guide. She had seen better days, and needed a lot of TLC.. I just wanted a shooter...
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Thanks. I look forward to hearing what you guys think I have here after seeing the photos. Happy to take others if needed for better analysis. Right off the bat I'm thinking updating the stock and optic at a minimum, but would greatly appreciate any other modification advice. Not a precision shooter here, but I am mainly a hunter and that would be primary use for this rifle. Please don't hesitate to tell me if you think I just have a nice wall-hanger too. Thanks to all.
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I wanted to add that I am not a reloader if that matters to anyone suggesting a barrel change - which I am definitely open to. Just probably not to something so arcane that production ammo is hard to find. Comfortable shooting out to probably 400yds max. Mostly varmints, pigs, deer - medium sized game. Thanks.
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A good combo of manageable recoil, flat to 300yds or so and good velocity would be great. I have two rifles in 25-06 so that would be an option since I am already buying that ammo. Have read few good articles talking about the 6.5-06. Not sure if that would be just a barrel change though.
There was a similar inquiry on another site and one of the responses was:
"Given that the 30-06' is the very balanced middle ground for that case head size, to make the switch worth the effort you will need to swing to one of the ends of the spectrum. Personally I would limit myself to commercial offerings just toimit the expense of dies, trimmers, etc.
So at the small end that gives 25-06, which with 75 grain bullets can be a strong varmint choice and a solid big game choice with 120 grainers. At the other end is the 35 Whelen. Not a varmint round, but with 250-275 grain bullets it will handle large game and small dinosaurs. It also makes a really fun platform for shooting cast bullets."
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I am very biased to not messing old guns up, and while that may not be a collector, its certainly a very fine old gun. (I really don't know if there are collector Savage rifles of that era)
Note that it has the 110 on the Receiver, now its on the barrel and its the Generic model, not the specific one.
As my brother said in some consternation, how do you really know what Model you have? On this one you sure can.
That is a beautiful wood stock. Goes with the gun and the era. My take is it should be kept as is. If its not a Fajen stock its modeled after one. Really nice cheek riser and note the Thumb slot. Classic front of the stock with that reverse angle.
Modern optic is fine, keep the old scope though. You don't see Iron sites very often. Take the barrel off and you will probably not get it indexed back on with the sight alignment right.
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^Agreed^ Shoot that rifle, but don't mess with it.
There are plenty of suitable build platforms around.
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RC20
I am very biased to not messing old guns up, and while that may not be a collector, its certainly a very fine old gun. (I really don't know if there are collector Savage rifles of that era)
Note that it has the 110 on the Receiver, now its on the barrel and its the Generic model, not the specific one.
As my brother said in some consternation, how do you really know what Model you have? On this one you sure can.
That is a beautiful wood stock. Goes with the gun and the era. My take is it should be kept as is. If its not a Fajen stock its modeled after one. Really nice cheek riser and note the Thumb slot. Classic front of the stock with that reverse angle.
Modern optic is fine, keep the old scope though. You don't see Iron sites very often. Take the barrel off and you will probably not get it indexed back on with the sight alignment right.
Thank you RC20 - I value your opinion or anyone else's opinion who is willing to take a minute and chime in. I am just a newbie here and not highly experienced with the Savage 110, but very open to your thoughts on this project - or perhaps lack thereof. Would you mind clarifying your statement about the fact that it has 110 on the receiver? I was not able to fully follow you there. In addition, does anyone have any ammo recommendations this particular rifle if I keep it original? Im totally fine with traditional preservation, but I must admit the front portion of the stock (which as a whole is in great shape as you said) just looks really odd/old fashioned to me. Its the way it is cutoff/so squared or something that just throws me off. Perhaps it is because I am just used to more modern styles having been born in 1970. I have a Win M1894 that is much older than this rifle but I think it looks very cool as is - very classic, albeit so old.
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FW Conch
^Agreed^ Shoot that rifle, but don't mess with it.
There are plenty of suitable build platforms around.
Thank you FW Conch.
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Most guns have both the Serial number and the model on the receiver.
While I don't know when Savage changed , they are highly modular now as they can mix and match parts, long actions with short action barrels (not normal) etc.
So, my Model 116 Pro Hunter has Model (110? have to look again, but not 116) on the BARELL. All the 116 means is a long action, pencil barrel and in this case A Cabell gun with a scope.
Yours has the Model 110 on the Receiver with the SN.
That's what upset my brother. He got a great deal on a Savage (forget which one) nice setup with a heavy barrel etc.
He wanted to know if it was original. Looking it over yes, Savage barrel, right stock etc.
But as he is a collector he thinks (and is right) anyone could put that together and call it a Model XXX. Yep, why for the value and loss would be nutty but yes.
As the current ones have no current collector value and may never its really not an issue
Yours is a piece of history for yours as it does have it on the Receiver, guaranteed no one messed with it (fake) and all is (or should be) traceable to an original configuration (stock is unknown as I am not familiar with the early Savage setups)
Someone on the site I believe has original catalogs so you can back compare what was offered in the right era.
If a gun does become a collector item its that sort of thing that creates a separating line.
The touted Pre 64 Winchester being that. Push round feed, craftsmanship perceived etc. but the value is supposedly at that break point. Eyes of the beholder, modern made one are almost certainly better overall, but collectors don't look at it that way.
From the looks, if Savage had a deluxe model the stock looks like it with the checkering, the cheek riser and the fore end color and slant cut, the cap on the grip (assumes its an original Savage stock and we should hear on that in a bit)
Again I don't know if Savage is collectable, but that is a cool piece of history and history means a lot to me. I have some Mil Surplus that are issued, re-arsenaled and then issued again or into the civilian world. Pretty cool stuff, they have a story to tell.
One by what's been done to it I can tell you it went to Canada originally, got sent to Denmark eventually (probably post WWII but it could have been WWII as those were sent there as well during WWII and issued) then came back into the US via an import.
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Personally, that stock is NICE. I would get a modern scope, and as mentioned keep the old one in a box somewhere. The difference in clarity from new cheap scope to old high dollar ones is amazing, with the favor going to the new cheap. Put a new high dollar scope and it will floor you. One major improvement in scopes is keeping the inside clear in bad weather. The old scopes were infamous for fogging up. I just replaced one very similar to what is one yours, Mine was a 4x on my 22 and it finally dawned on me it was foggy. Duh, should have swapped it years ago.
There's nothing wrong with the 30-06. Since you don't reload, get a few boxes of 150gr bullets for deer and 165-180 for anything bigger. It will have some recoil, but what you hit will be dead. Shoot the heck out of that rifle and if you want to tinker, buy a new donor Savage and have at it. Will probably be cheaper in the long run to do it that way anyway.
I forgot to add, I REALLY miss stocks with those high combs.
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I'm going to side with RC20 on this, there are plenty of rifles out there for custom builds.
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Excellent information and thank you folks very much. If I am going to actually use the rifle in the field, I get a little uneasy about the wood stocks - I am just more of a composite/no worries guy. In fact, the only wood stock rifle I own that I use in the field is my Remington 700 LS .221 Fireball (fun gun by the way with the LS meaning Laminated Stock so probably doesnt even count as a true wood stock). But, I DO get the history side of it. If I just opted to limit my project to the install of a modern optic, is there anything that comes to anyone's mind for this particular rifle/caliber? I have kinda been a Vortex guy here lately - great value.
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No you really do want to keep that one dry, its a real beauty. We have a very early 270 Finnbear that got beat up over the years, sad to see.
So lots of options for a low cost stainless and or composite gun for the wet.
Scopes, that's a funny issue.
Mine range from Nightforce to Léopold. The Surprise winner is a Cabella model made in Japan. Not all that much normal and I got on a sale for like $150
It has the best light gather, cross hairs are just thick enough not to fade and I can shoot it not the dusk when my NF and Leopold shift and fuzz and cant' see consistently.
If the Vortex works for your eyes then that's the way to go rather than guess.
We have one Leopold not matter how good the light I can't get it to focus. The brothers are fine with it. Eyes are funny things.
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Beautiful stock, it's a Fajen. I have its twin in a left hand 30-06, pre 66 bolt, identical stock. It has the barrel bulge but no iron sights, unless they were removed previously and soldered/reblued. The wood was pristine but the bluing was destroyed when I found her, after cleanup, recrown and cerakote and a light trigger stoning I was thrilled that she'll shoot 5 into a silver dollar at 100yds. A 3x9 Leupold in vintage Redfield mounts with the hidden cap screws and she looks as good as she hunts. If yours shoots enjoy it for what it is...
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bobby1028
Beautiful stock, it's a Fajen. I have its twin in a left hand 30-06, pre 66 bolt, identical stock. It has the barrel bulge but no iron sights, unless they were removed previously and soldered/reblued. The wood was pristine but the bluing was destroyed when I found her, after cleanup, recrown and cerakote and a light trigger stoning I was thrilled that she'll shoot 5 into a silver dollar at 100yds. A 3x9 Leupold in vintage Redfield mounts with the hidden cap screws and she looks as good as she hunts. If yours shoots enjoy it for what it is...
Thank you Bobby. Id love to see a photo or two of yours if you are able to post any? I need to take the bolt out and really look at this gun - I really dont think that it has been used much at all.
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RC20
No you really do want to keep that one dry, its a real beauty. We have a very early 270 Finnbear that got beat up over the years, sad to see.
So lots of options for a low cost stainless and or composite gun for the wet.
Scopes, that's a funny issue.
Mine range from Nightforce to Léopold. The Surprise winner is a Cabella model made in Japan. Not all that much normal and I got on a sale for like $150
It has the best light gather, cross hairs are just thick enough not to fade and I can shoot it not the dusk when my NF and Leopold shift and fuzz and cant' see consistently.
If the Vortex works for your eyes then that's the way to go rather than guess.
We have one Leopold not matter how good the light I can't get it to focus. The brothers are fine with it. Eyes are funny things.
Thank you RC20 for all of your insight (no pun). Nikon glass also looks good to me for very reasonable prices.
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I also wanted to mention to you all that there is a large gun show this weekend near my home. Is there anything in particular that I should look for that would enhance this gun (besides an optic)?
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Originally Posted by
bobby1028
Beautiful stock, it's a Fajen. I have its twin in a left hand 30-06, pre 66 bolt, identical stock. It has the barrel bulge but no iron sights, unless they were removed previously and soldered/reblued. The wood was pristine but the bluing was destroyed when I found her, after cleanup, recrown and cerakote and a light trigger stoning I was thrilled that she'll shoot 5 into a silver dollar at 100yds. A 3x9 Leupold in vintage Redfield mounts with the hidden cap screws and she looks as good as she hunts. If yours shoots enjoy it for what it is...
Bobby, I am curious as to how you know your bolt is pre-1966? Thanks kindly.
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Howdy folks. I am thinking about buying a good raw wood blank for this gun and have a guy I know that does amazing wood finishes put a real nice finish on it. Does anyone have any experience or thoughts on that idea? Also, does anyone know a good company/resource for a raw unfinished wood stock for my pre-1966 110? Thanks kindly folks.
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Also, I think I have the answer to a more modern scope. I have a Leupold VX-1 3x9 40 (glossy finish) that is about a 2004 model. It has the older style glossy finish so I think it would preserve the period character of that rifle, while giving it the benefits of modern glass. Any thoughts? Is 3x9 40 enough for 30-06? Thanks.
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That's a 110 deluxe. I was thinking those were from around late 60's-1970. Didn't Savage conspire with Anschutz on those? I would never destroy that weapon, sell it as is and find a suitable platform. I for one appreciate and rat hole early and unusual 110's and I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Fireball
That's a 110 deluxe. I was thinking those were from around late 60's-1970. Didn't Savage conspire with Anschutz on those? I would never destroy that weapon, sell it as is and find a suitable platform. I for one appreciate and rat hole early and unusual 110's and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Actually, it's a 110P or "Premier" that was made from 1964-1969. If you pull the barreled action out of the stock is should have "Sile of Italy" tamped in the barrel channel somewhere. Same stock that was used on the 110 PE (Premier Engraved). Following image is from the 1965 catalog.
http://www.savageshooters.com/attach...3&d=1373287686
I sure hope you didn't choose to replace the stock on this, or if you did that you were smart enough to keep the original stock safely stored away somewhere as this was one of the higher end models from the era and it's one of the more rare models so it does have some value if left in original condition.
