Stupid State Laws

I was working in Iraq in late 2004. A friend and I, both doing security work, started talking guns. He told me he was from Massachusetts and since his chief of police was a former Marine and he was a former Jarhead also, he got a CCW along with special endorsement for semi-automatic, special endorsement for hi capacity magazine, and a couple other things. I started laughing. He asked me what was so funny. I told him that in free states all the above can be done by any non-felon without any social permission. He really thought the was odd. People who live under a heavy yoke can't imagine what it is like not to.

Mass. residents please don't hammer me for my lack of knowledge of your laws. The above is the best of my memory of the conversation.

My question, though, is why do you live under these restrictions? New York, New Jersey, Mass, etc., why aren't those laws being struck down since Heller and McDonald?

Michigan has a few weird ones. Weirdest is about pistol-free zones. Without a CPL any person legally able to possess a gun can carry a pistol openly in public EXCEPT in statutory pistol-free zones. CPL holders aren't able to carry concealed in said pistol-free zones but can carry openly there.

In Texas you pay a fee, and you can buy a silencer. A couple of weeks ago at the range, a guy was shooting a 300 black out at 50 yds, subsonic load with silencer, incredibly quiet. Made about the same noise as shooting a spit ball. Not kidding! You could hear a mouse fart over this guy while he was shooting.

Sometimes, just to make a political point regarding guns, our Texas legislature passes some of the most bone-head laws. Like the one recently passed allowing college students to carry, open or concealed, in classrooms!

Anyone with kids in their late teens, early twenties knows just how prone kids are to doing really stupid things. Something about not having a fully formed frontal lobe yet. Don't possess that key piece of brain that says "hold on thar….might want'a think this through" before jumping sand dunes with a snowmobile.

Kids…………with guns…………….in classrooms………….:argue: ……….. =:violin:

I live in mass and it sucks

Why don't I leave family and money to be Frank.

Pretty much what your buddy siad was true. Cops can deny for whatever reason. The special exemptions don't really exist.

You have an ltc permit. It can have restrictions like no carry/sporting Hunting only. And every town is different , yup 350 different rules for town residents. My permit is good state wide for what I was issued by my town. Save for Boston no hicaps at all. There's no exemptions for hicap mags anything over 10rds is no go , save for prebans. Your friend more than likely has an ltc with no restrictions, what most states call a ccw permit. We've made some strides but none of them were done by the national gun groups. Comm2a is probably the best group to support in MA, they don't lobby they go straight to legal action. Goal is another one but again they lobby and will compromise.

There's more anti gun people than pro and even more who don't give a **** because they don't own guns. The NRA? They don't care about the citizens of MA.

I could go on and on but I'm on a phone.

I can vouch for Stiven he speaks the truth, there is even a town where you have to write an SA "just like high school" justifying why you need a LTC.

Dean

PS: 2 more years and counting

Living in CT we got some stupid laws especially over the past few years. We can have cans and fully auto weapons but if that fully auto weapon has a selector switch to semi then it's an "assault weapon" and you can't have it. LOL Now we can only carry 10 round magazines even if you registered "high" caps. And the first magazine you carry can be a "high" cap downloaded to 10 but the second mag has to be a 10 round only mag. So stupid!

I have lived here my whole life, except for my Marine Corps time, but when I can retire next year I am moving to NC. Already have property and should be building a house end of this year or beginning of next. I understand people who can't move and you have to do your best as I have been but I can't wait to get to a free state.

you guys all need to move out west....both these spots(and many more)10mins from my drive way...and we dont have all the crazy laws...i cant imagiane living in a state like that...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...6d0a80b770.jpg

1845yds from my rifle to the bottom edge of the dot...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...9d285f9618.jpg

I personally love New England

I love the country and weather, except for the winters as I get older, and that is why the area we are moving to in NC is very similar but with more freedoms and less taxes ;)

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Originally Posted by LongRange

you guys all need to move out west....both these spots(and many more)10mins from my drive way...and we dont have all the crazy laws...i cant imagiane living in a state like that...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...6d0a80b770.jpg

1845yds from my rifle to the bottom edge of the dot...

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...9d285f9618.jpg

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as a shooter im envious, but where are the trees?

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Originally Posted by Rob01

I love the country and weather, except for the winters as I get older, and that is why the area we are moving to in NC is very similar but with more freedoms and less taxes ;)

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it's great here besides the people and the politics

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Originally Posted by scope eye

I can vouch for Stiven he speaks the truth, there is even a town where you have to write an SA "just like high school" justifying why you need a LTC.

Dean

PS: 2 more years and counting

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I've heard of having to write an Essay but never a SA ese.

Stiven, Is that public or private land?

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Originally Posted by Robinhood

Stiven, Is that public or private land?

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not my pic that's from longrange.



Wanna here something good?

Glocks in MA. Usually go for 550-650$ for gen 1's. Want a Gen3 or Gen4, no sorry they are not safe enough for citizens. but hey if youre law enforcement it doesnt matter. It gets better trust me theres a super secret list only known to the attorney general of MA, no one really knows what models are on the list or how to even qualify for the list. under the guise of consumer safety they can just say a gun isn't safe enough and poof dealers cant sell them. there are ways around it but it drives the cost of the guns up. when glock released the gen 4 they were going for about 800$ on the private market.

This goes for alot of pretty common guns. try finding a CZ in mass that's at least priced at msrp.

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Originally Posted by Stiven

as a shooter im envious, but where are the trees?

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thats the beauty...we have desert like this and 45mins west is lake tahoe national forest and to the north more forest...i really like the green where you guys live but ive lived in the wide open spaces most of my life.

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Originally Posted by Robinhood

I've heard of having to write an Essay but never a SA ese.

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I was trying to abbreviate, and that was the best I could come up with at the time. Obviously it worked hence your response.LOL

Dean

PS: Why is the word abbreviate so long, and what would be the spelling if you wanted to abbreviate it.

To the kids with guns. Brought back memories. In high school we use to carry our deer rifles and shotguns to school left in our trucks of course. And every day leave straight from school to go hunt. I shot a nice 7 point one morning on the way to school (I know bad boy) But went to school and cleaned him out side of my first class which was shop the teacher even went to the cafeteria and got a bucket of ice for me to put in my cooler. Can you imagine that now a days. The school would be on the news. "Student has 30-30 and dead deer massacre at 5"

I like the look on anti-gun folks when they ask me if I own a gun. I tell them, no, why would I own just one? I've never understood why they say kids on college campuses. Most students on college campuses are over the age of 18, have taken out and supposed to understand the gravity of the situation, when they borrow thousands of dollars in student loans, can sign of for the military and vote, yet we call these adults as "kids". The anti gun crowd is correct, kids cannot carry on college campus, adults with GWCLs in campus, hopefully with the governor's signature, will be allowed to protect themselves. Can someone explain why these adults need to be coddled like they are still 4 years old?

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Originally Posted by psharon97

Can someone explain why these adults need to be coddled like they are still 4 years old?

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That's easy, because most of them still act like spoiled little 4 year-old's because they've been coddled their whole life.

In Louisiana, we can do pretty well what we want, except for Full Autos and Silencers. Open carry is pretty well the normal here, except in school zones and religious areas.

What I have to watch for is when I travel, I always carry, is going through multiple states I understand I could get in a lot of trouble in some states if someone had reason to check me. I have been certain places and people were shock when they realized I had firearms with me. Strictly for protection.

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In high school we use to carry our deer rifles and shotguns to school left in our trucks of course.

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Pretty well the norm, it doesn't bother us at all. These people are not the ones you have to worry about. It's the ones in the big cities.

I wouldn't know how to act otherwise complying with some of the State Laws I have told about.

I live and work in Central NY. Strongly considering moving over the PA border ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Dennis

In Louisiana, we can do pretty well what we want, except for Full Autos and Silencers. Open carry is pretty well the normal here, except in school zones and religious areas.

What I have to watch for is when I travel, I always carry, is going through multiple states I understand I could get in a lot of trouble in some states if someone had reason to check me. I have been certain places and people were shock when they realized I had firearms with me. Strictly for protection.



Pretty well the norm, it doesn't bother us at all. These people are not the ones you have to worry about. It's the ones in the big cities.

I wouldn't know how to act otherwise complying with some of the State Laws I have told about.

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Yes I'm next to you in north mobile AL. We open carry and I always have a rifle in my truck and a 22mag in my pocket.

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Originally Posted by swamphonkey

Yes I'm next to you in north mobile AL. We open carry and I always have a rifle in my truck and a 22mag in my pocket.

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Ditto, except I have a 22lr revolver. It will do the job.

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Originally Posted by Dennis

Ditto, except I have a 22lr revolver. It will do the job.

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Sure will. I got that little North American arms 22mag 5 shot. I use to tote a big pistol but I found myself not having it too much. That lil mag fits in my pocket and goes with me. Because it ain't no good if you don't have it. All I need it to do is get me to my truck. Lol then I got my lil 243 And they are screwed then.

Looks like the US Supreme Court got one right, post Scalia, post Heller, etc. They have struck down a Mass. law which restricts ownership is stun guns.

Read here:http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03...-to-stun-guns/

And in Colorado, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals threw out a 2014 ruling sustaining Colorado's magazine ban.

Read the story here: http://www.cpr.org/news/newsbeat/201...t-after-ruling

For stupid gun laws ,Kalifornification has you all beat . And now they want to make some of there laws already on the books illegal .

With the above cases being decided in favor of 2A, There may be hope yet for California. They may be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

There was also recently a appeals court victory for gun owners in Maryland, requiring the State court to apply strict scrutiny to all 2A cases. Their gun control regime will not likely stand.

All that convoluted crap is enough to keep me happy right here in the south.
Wish we had constitutional carry but we don't... Yet... so having a Georgia weapons carry license is I guess the next best thing in this area anyway.
It is recognized as reciprocal by all our bordering states except South Carolina (completely retarded) and several others throughout the US as well. Georgia also welcomes permits from states we share reciprocity with and you can carry pretty much anything you darn well please. Very few places are "Off Limits" and signs carry no weight except that if asked to leave because of a sidearm and a sign you must leave to avoid a possible trespass charge. I do however try to respect a business owners right to not have my patronage and my money if he chooses to place a no firearms sign.

I never have understood the "open carry" thing and only use hip holsters for comfort while hunting or other activitys that don't take place in public.
For self defense and prefer a nice concealed carry setup, I really like the Alien gear Cloak Tuck 3 along with their reinforced bridle leather gun belt.
What those around me don't know seems to be an advantage and things just seem to be much smoother if the sheep around lawful concealed carriers just remain blissfully unaware.

[QUOTE]I never have understood the "open carry" thing...[/QUOTE]

Because you can. A right unexercised is a right lost.

Also to condition others that is OK, no reason for alarm, just the exercise of a right. You can also, no requirement to beg permission.

Look that Cop is open carrying also! What ya say? "But he's a cop..."? Oh, so open carry is alright if you are a state employee but not if you are a mere mortal "citizen"?

I was referring to not understanding open carry as "why I would want to paint a target on my back."
My side arm is my very last line of defense not my first.
We really live in a screwed up world and there are too many nut jobs who seek to start confrontation with no regard for the outcome.
What they dont know wont hurt anyone. What they think they know or what they may do just might, and I aint got time for that.
You would probably be shocked and surprised how often "open carrier"s are robbed of their firearm and never had a chance.

I do not agree with your premise, that open carry invites stolen weapons. It presumes that every open carrier is an incompetent boob who cannot control his weapon, nor can he defend his life and property in a timely manner.

If that premise applies to me, it applies to every cop who wears a sidearm openly.

The same might be said of women who open carry a purse. They are just inviting a thief to rob them. Therefor, no woman should openly carry her purse.

Free men have the right to bear arms. Period.

Open carry is a natural exercise of that right. Open carry is honest. Our people have been conditioned to think of openly carrying a sidearm as an illegal act. It had fallen out of practice in the twentieth century in most places. However, in most states it has been perfectly legal all along. The fact that it fell out of practice doesn't make it illegal or immoral.

Open carry is a touchy subject IMHO. I've been a long time CHL holder and was for years a CHL instructor for the state of Texas. Like all things there is a time and a place for everything. I believe the open carry movement in the state of Texas did gun owners more harm than good. They staged at busy intersections to make their point, all of them sporting AR's or AK's. Now that it is the law and I appreciate having it the timing is still an issue. If you are going to Krogers to get groceries do you really need a 44 mag on your hip or would that LCR in an ankle holster serve you better?

Logictox, I won't argue etiquette with you. I also held a CHL in Texas for a while. The "Shall Issue" laws which were passed by most states in the 1990's were a step in the right direction, being the means to get more people carrying and more people into the gun culture. When I tell people it had been illegal to carry a handgun in Texas since Reconstruction, they can't believe it. (What? In Texas?)

Yes there is a way to behave in polite society. I am not one of those "In Your Face F-You" kind of people. I do believe, however, that government has no place "permitting" me and charging money, or telling me I must ask permission, before I exercise a Natural and Constitutionally secured Right. I think Constitutional Carry will pass in a year of two. Texas will be brought kicking and screaming into the fold. I now live in Montana. Last year the pro-gun governor vetoed Constitutional Carry, citing testimony from some Sheriff's and Chief's of police about officer safety. The Police should NEVER have the last word one it comes to the exercise of Natural Rights. As Robert Duval said in Open Range, "Ooooh... sticks in my craw."

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Logictox, I won't argue etiquette with you. I also held a CHL in Texas for a while. The "Shall Issue" laws which were passed by most states in the 1990's were a step in the right direction, being the means to get more people carrying and more people into the gun culture. When I tell people it had been illegal to carry a handgun in Texas since Reconstruction, they can't believe it. (What? In Texas?)

Yes there is a way to behave in polite society. I am not one of those "In Your Face F-You" kind of people. I do believe, however, that government has no place "permitting" me and charging money, or telling me I must ask permission, before I exercise a Natural and Constitutionally secured Right. I think Constitutional Carry will pass in a year of two. Texas will be brought kicking and screaming into the fold. I now live in Montana. Last year the pro-gun governor vetoed Constitutional Carry, citing testimony from some Sheriff's and Chief's of police about officer safety. The Police should NEVER have the last word one it comes to the exercise of Natural Rights. As Robert Duval said in Open Range, "Ooooh... sticks in my craw."

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